And for a wider perspective, we turn now to Wendy Sherman, who was the lead negotiator for

the nuclear agreement with Iran during the Obama administration. She served as U.S. Deputy

Secretary of State during the Biden administration and is currently a senior fellow at Harvard's

Kennedy School of Government. And Vali Nasser is a professor of international affairs and Middle

East Studies at the Johns Hopkins

University School of Advanced International Studies. And he's also the author of Iran's grand

strategy of political history. Our thanks to you both for joining us. Wendy Sherman will start

with you. The U.S. says it was not involved in Israel's nuclear sites. But is this attack, in your view? Is it aligned with

U.S. interests or does it introduce new and unpredictable risks for U.S. forces and regional

stability? I think it certainly introduces a lot of risk for all of the military personnel, some 40,000 in the region and the

hundreds of thousands of Americans in Israel, as well as in the wider region. There is no question

that all of us don't want Iran to have a nuclear weapon. That was the whole reason that

President Obama asked Secretary

Clinton, Secretary Kerry, and myself to work hard to get a joint comprehensive plan of action

with Iran to put constraints on its nuclear program. Donald Trump and his first term as president,

as you know in 2018, pulled out of that deal.

I don't think we'd be where we are today if that hadn't happened.

And I think now we risk the potential for a much wider war.

We've seen now a strike by Israel, retaliation by Iran. We've just heard from the ambassador, Ambassador

Leiter, that this will go on for some time. I expect tit for tat. And we don't know who will get

hurt in the process. I'm certainly hoping that all who are injured in Israel make it through.

And Valian, also, you heard the Israeli ambassador say that Israel's goal was to eliminate Iran's

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