from WNYC Studios. I'm Brian Lehrer. This is my daily politics podcast. It's Monday,

April 21st. There was some kind of middle-of-the-night drama involving the Supreme Court on

Friday night.

Maybe you've heard at least the basics.

Journalists are still piecing together exactly what the sequence of events was,

but there was apparently some kind of simultaneous or almost simultaneous movement

of buses carrying more migrants to be deported to El Salvador

and the justices considering whether to order

those buses to turn around. At one o'clock in the morning, one o'clock Saturday morning, the Supreme

Court by a striking seven to two majority vote, this Supreme Court at seven to two, ordered a

temporary halt to that kind of deportation,

and apparently the Trump administration obeyed the ruling. It shows the moment we're living in,

right? That abiding by a Supreme Court ruling or not was even a question people were holding

their breath about. But we'll start there on that high drama from the

high court and talk more broadly about aspects of the rule of law in the United States

hanging by a thread as so many people see it. Our guest for this is Quinter Jurecic,

whose Atlantic magazine biopage says she's a contributing writer at the Atlantic,

a fellow in governance studies at the Brookings Institution and a senior editor at Lawfare.

I'll add that she's also active on blue sky, aggregating information about democracy,

the rule of law, and the internet, and she was very active on this topic this

weekend. Quinto, always good to have you, and so glad you could join us about this. Welcome back

to WNYC. Thank you for having me. Could you explain to our listeners who were not news junkies

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