Hello, everybody, and welcome to the Radical Cander podcast. I'm Jason Rosoff.

I'm Amy Sandler, and today we are talking about the role of managers of managers.

And Kim is off leading a radical candor session. We think about managers of managers that are often referred to as middle or

senior management. And this is a nuanced role because it involves overseeing not just the work of

individual contributors, but you're also guiding and supporting other managers. We've had a couple

of different conversations about managing managers.

What do you do as a manager of managers?

We'll put those into the show notes.

So the role of managers, of managers, we've got a couple of different podcasts.

We spoke about that.

We'll put them in the show notes.

But at a high level, it involves overseeing not just the work of individual contributors, but also guiding

and supporting other managers. And it can be crucial, be a crucial layer of management in

larger organizations where coordination across teams and alignment with organizational goals

is necessary. But recently there has been a trend and there seems to be a trend amongst

trends where it's the Great Blank. And this one is called the Great Plattening or the Great

Unbossing. I've not seen the Great Unbossing, but I kind of love that. Business Insider

reported the quote inbossing, but I kind of love that. Business Insider reporter the quote,

in October 2024, employers were advertising 42% fewer middle management positions than they did

in April 2022, which means that those who lost their jobs in the Great Flatening are now

facing a whole new horror.

There aren't any positions left for them to take, end quote.

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