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Hello and welcome to Decoder.

I'm Neil Appetel, Editor and Chief of the Verge, and Decoder is my new podcast about big ideas and other problems.

On this week's episode, I'm talking to Phil Spencer, the executive vice president of Gaming at Microsoft,

or more simply the guy in charge of Xbox.

And we had a lot to talk about.

Not only did a new console generation just arrive in stores with the Sony PS5 and Microsoft's own new Xboxes,

but gaming itself has become part of mainstream culture, a trend that has definitely accelerated during the pandemic.

On top of that, we've reached an inflection point for games streaming.

Google, Amazon and Microsoft all have services that allow you to play games on any device by streaming them over the internet.

Kind of like Netflix or games.

Although no one really likes it when you call it that.

Phil and I talked about all of this.

How much the pandemic has accelerated those trends in gaming?

Why he chose to launch two next-gen consoles at the same time, the issues we've seen with pre-orders and supply,

and how we see his Xbox growing over time.

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