Microsoft AI chief thinks superintelligence is near, but won't take your job

Decoder with Nilay Patel

Vox Media Podcast Network

Technology, Business

4.2 • 3.4K Ratings

🗓️ 8 June 2026

⏱️ 81 minutes

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Today I’m talking with Mustafa Suleyman, the CEO of Microsoft AI. This is a real burner of an episode. We covered everything from his approach to training new models to his criticisms of Anthropic talking about Claude as though it is conscious. Of course, we also talked about Microsoft’s relationship with OpenAI, how Mustafa is thinking about all the negative polling and political pushback around AI right now, and whether any of the consumer products are good enough to overcome it. Like I said, it’s a burner. Read the full interview transcript on The Verge. Links: Microsoft and OpenAI broke up — now they’re ready to fight | The Verge Microsoft Build 2026: The 7 biggest announcements | The Verge Microsoft’s first advanced reasoning AI is here | The Verge Microsoft’s new ‘superintelligence’ game plan is all about business | The Verge Here’s how the new Microsoft and OpenAI deal breaks down | The Verge Microsoft AI chief says 18 months until white-collar tasks automated by AI | FT Subscribe to The Verge to access the ad-free version of Decoder! Credits: Decoder is a production of The Verge and part of the Vox Media Podcast Network. Decoder is produced by Kate Cox and Nick Statt and edited by Ursa Wright. Our editorial director is Kevin McShane. The Decoder music is by Breakmaster Cylinder. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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1:24.6	Hello, and welcome to Decoder. I'm Neil I Pat Patel, editor-in-chief of The Verge, and Decoder is my show about big ideas and other problems. Today I'm talking to Mustafa Suleiman, the CEO of Microsoft AI. And I'm actually going to keep this intro pretty short. First, if you're watching the video, you can tell that I'm working from the basement of my wife's family farm.
1:44.5	But second, and way more importantly, it's a real burner of an episode.
1:48.5	Mustafa and I covered everything from his approach to training new models to his deep criticisms
1:53.0	of Anthropic talking about Claude as though it's conscious.
1:56.0	Of course, we also talked about all of the AI announcements Microsoft just made it build, its
1:59.4	development conference, the company's
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