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The Interview

Mick Lynch: Strife, strikes and workers' rights

The Interview

BBC

News, Government, Politics

4.3537 Ratings

🗓️ 15 February 2023

⏱️ 24 minutes

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Summary

Stephen Sackur speaks to Mick Lynch, leader of Britain’s biggest rail union the RMT. His members are striking for inflation proofed pay and job protection. It is a test case in a new era of worker versus employer fights with resonance across the world. But can the workers win?

Transcript

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0:00.0

Welcome to Hard Talk on the BBC World Service with me, Stephen Sacker.

0:04.5

My guest today projects a powerful image as a working-class warrior.

0:10.3

Mick Lynch is leader of the UK's biggest rail workers union, the RMT.

0:15.6

His band of brothers is some 80,000 strong, and his battleground is Britain's railway network, which for the past

0:23.9

eight months has been hit by a series of rolling strikes aimed at winning the railworkers,

0:29.7

an inflation-proofed pay rise, and a reprieve from job cuts and sweeping changes to working

0:36.4

conditions.

0:41.0

Lynch makes no apology for his confrontational approach.

0:46.6

He grew up in a poor London neighbourhood, got blacklisted for his union activities on building sites, and ended up on the railways where his commitment and passion as a union man

0:52.3

saw him elected to the top job in 2021.

0:56.2

The RMT has long been a stronghold of the far left.

0:59.8

Lynch has given it a charismatic public face.

1:03.6

The current industrial dispute on Britain's railways is part of a much wider picture of labour unrest,

1:09.1

with inflation high in much of the world and employers

1:12.7

keen to maximise efficiency by replacing humans with technology wherever possible, we have entered

1:19.1

a new era of struggle between employers and workers. The stakes are high. Can the workers

1:25.9

win? Well, Mick Lynch joins me now. Welcome to Hard Talk.

1:30.7

You are the leader of a union that's been in a long-running dispute now.

1:34.6

It goes back to last summer. They've been rolling sporadic strikes.

1:38.5

As it goes on, does it feel harder to find your way to a compromise?

1:44.1

Well, there's no easy way out for either side.

1:46.3

The government has boxed themselves into a corner to a large extent.

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