Welcome to the Wolverine podcast on that week. Yes, Michigan, Michigan State at Michigan Stadium on Saturday night. And I'm John Borden. I'm here with Tom Crawford. We will be joined shortly by a real expert on the Michigan State side of things. And we'll talk all about it in one of, I would say,

Michigan's nastiest rivalry. We're going to talk a little bit about that as we get into this

podcast, but we welcome you in. I'm glad you're listening in. Tom Crawford, I appreciate you being here. Obviously,

Tom Crawford is a co-correspondent with Jack Ebling, who is going to be our featured guest tonight

on Press Pass on Fox 47 on Sunday nights.

He's the founder of the Crawford Podcasting Network.

Great to have you with us, Tom.

This is Michigan, Michigan State Week.

Tell us a little bit about what it's like where you are right now.

Well, let me just say from a personal standpoint,

this is like I'm an eight-year-old kid

and we're approaching Christmas Eve and Christmas Day.

This is what I've been waiting for.

You know, I want to open the gifts around 7.30,

if you know what I mean.

It's been a long couple of years in this rivalry.

I go back to, we've got to go back to 4410 in 2019 since we felt good about this rivalry.

But there's, there's around here specifically, there's not a lot of smack talking going on because I think it's not so much that Michigan State fans think that their team is that bad.

I mean, they've been disappointed, but I think they're seeing the running on the wall about how

effective Michigan is at running to football and throwing to football in a very balanced attack.

And so there's not a lot of buzz going on i mean there will be if they pull the

upset they'll come out of the out of the woodwork but uh it's kind of kind of quiet around here

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