Hey, it's NPR's Book of the Day. I'm Andrew Limbaugh. So I get into a lot of these, I'll call them barbecue uncle conversations. It doesn't necessarily have to be with an uncle or at a barbecue. But I'm talking about when folks start talking about their relationships with people they love in a sort of confrontational way, you know,

saying stuff like, well, you know, every day is a struggle. Every day, you got to fight for it.

And perhaps unsurprisingly, considering her famous motto is when they go low, we go high,

former first lady Michelle Obama focuses on some different language.

She's got a new book out called The Light We Carry, and it's a book about how she

coped with different situations in her life, a lot of it pertaining to managing relationships.

And in this interview with NPR's Juana Summers, she uses words like compromise and trust

and growth, which, to be absolutely clear, isn't to say those things are easy.

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two kids, written a New York Times bestseller, and spent eight years in one of the world's brightest spotlights.

And still, former First Lady Michelle Obama has had moments in an extraordinary life that still feel utterly relatable.

You know, whenever you are putting yourself out into the public, I am no different. It is frightening, you know.

Did I share too much? How will people receive the truth that I have to offer?

And she lays some of that truth bare in her latest book. It's called The Light We Carry, Overcoming in Uncertain

Times. It's a guidebook in many ways. Michelle Obama offers advice on coping with stress,

navigating spaces of privilege, and a polarized political landscape. But it's also part memoir,

revealing more memories of her childhood on Chicago's

Southside, her early days of courtship with former president Barack Obama, and even what her

daughters are up to these days. Barack one day sent them a text on earthquake preparedness

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