Michelle Mone | Update: How Could £122 Million Just Vanish? | 4
British Scandal
Wondery
4.5 • 6.5K Ratings
🗓️ 3 December 2025
⏱️ 34 minutes
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Summary
David Conn was a character at the heart of our original series, and now he's giving Matt and Alice an update on the Michelle Mone scandal in light of major developments. From dramatic court rulings to luxury flats and ongoing criminal investigations, Conn pulls back the curtain on how a pandemic procurement deal spiralled into one of the most explosive British scandals of the decade. Plus: what did he make of Matt's impression of him in the original series?
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| 0:00.0 | From Wondery, I'm Matt Ford. |
| 0:08.1 | And I'm Alice Levine. |
| 0:09.4 | And this is British scandal. |
| 0:26.5 | Sir Alice, how was it revisiting the Baroness Moan? |
| 0:32.4 | I mean, it's such a compelling story. There are so many parts of it that just have your jaw on the floor. |
| 0:39.2 | I mean, a good exercise with British scandal protagonists is to try and empathise and think about how our protagonists have got to where they are. She doesn't make it easy for you though, does she? |
| 0:43.5 | I mean, at the beginning, there's definitely a lot to be said about her hutspur and about her |
| 0:48.5 | kind of personal brand. You know, she puts herself front and centre and she's obviously charismatic. |
| 0:53.7 | Her instincts for how to get people's eyes on her centre, and she's obviously charismatic. Her instincts for |
| 0:54.7 | how to get people's eyes on her product, you can't deny that. But I'm really struggling. |
| 0:59.6 | I'm really, I'm really reaching here. You are, and she doesn't make it easy, as you said, |
| 1:04.0 | and people really think of that infamous Coonsberg interview with her and Doug Barrowman, her husband |
| 1:08.5 | and business partner, really got the tone |
| 1:11.3 | completely wrong. And just a few months after that interview, the government initiated legal action |
| 1:16.4 | against PPE MedPro. Then it all went very quiet. And almost two years later, the High Court |
| 1:21.0 | ruled that PPE MedPro breached its contract, a 122 million pound contract with the Department |
| 1:26.6 | of Health and Social Care, |
| 1:28.0 | and they've got to pay it back by the 15th of October 2025. |
| 1:31.8 | Just checking the old ICAL there. |
| 1:34.5 | That has been and proverbially gone, hasn't it? |
| 1:37.7 | Yes, the deadline is now in the past. |
| 1:39.6 | So this scandal has become even more scandalous, |
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