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The Meb Faber Show - Better Investing

Michelle Leder - “There Are Some Companies That We Know Are Sort of Bad Eggs" | #94

The Meb Faber Show - Better Investing

The Idea Farm

Management, Investing, Business

4.8978 Ratings

🗓️ 21 February 2018

⏱️ 50 minutes

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Summary

In Episode 94, we welcome entrepreneur, author, and SEC filings expert, Michelle Leder. We start with Michelle’s background. She was a business journalist – a self-professed “document geek.” She wrote the book Financial Fine Print: Uncovering a Company's True Value and decided to launch a website as an accompaniment to the book. Here we are, 15 years later. Meb asks Michelle to give an overview of what she’s looking for in the various filings. She tells us that changes are important. She doesn’t necessarily look closely at the numbers because it’s more about the language. Also, the forward-looking statements can be big. Michelle mentions an example of one that used a significant amount of extra language. This dovetails into a discussion about the process – is it a keyword search or is there software? Michelle uses both, as keywords alone don’t always work. She gives the example of when Goldman Sachs was subpoenaed, the language used to describe it in the filings was something like “an invitation to respond to the DOJ.” Meb asks for examples of red flag behavior in the filings. Michelle looks for unusual compensation or stock grant amounts. Also, lots of extra language used to describe earnings or adjusted EBITDA. She mentions a company called GT Advanced Technology, which used to be an Apple supplier. In one particular filing, they added new disclosure language, identifying their dependence on Apple, and their vulnerability if that relationship soured. Some time thereafter, Apple ended the relationship. Next, Meb and Michelle discuss the “Friday Night Dump.” This is the 90 minutes after market close on Friday, when there’s no major trading. Companies tend to dump all their bad info here. Michelle mentions recent examples using Tesla and Wynn. But her most memorable disclosure dump was Chesapeake Energy, revealing it had paid over $12M for a map collection. Meb asks if Michelle has ever been contacted by a company she’s profiled, trying to defend or explain itself. She mentions Dell. Apparently, the company once purchased a company from Dell’s own brother and something seemed a tad off. After Michelle covered it, Dell reached out to tell her she had gotten it all wrong. This is a fun episode with plenty more in it – what sort of time commitment this would take the average investor… the atmospheric changes Michelle has seen in the last 10-15 years… the story of Meb stealing someone else’s disclosure language for his own blog but forgetting to remove the other company’s name… There’s even a discussion of something Twitter did recently that grabbed Michelle’s interest. If you’re a Twitter investor, you might want to listen.  All this and more in Episode 94. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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0:00.0

Welcome to the Mebb Faver Show, where the focus is on helping you grow and preserve your wealth.

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Join us as we discuss the craft of investing

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and uncover new and profitable ideas,

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all to help you grow wealthier and wiser.

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Better investing starts here.

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Mepp Faber is the co-founder and chief investment officer at Cambria Investment Management.

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Due to industry regulations, he will not discuss any of Cambria's funds on this podcast.

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All opinions expressed by podcast participants are solely their own opinions and do not

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reflect the opinion of Cambria Investment Management or its affiliates.

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For more information, visit cambria Investments.com.

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Welcome podcast listeners.

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Today we have an awesome different kind of show for you but it might just be one of our most actionable episodes ever our guest is an author a reporter and SEC filings expert

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She runs a business that focuses on scouring the hundreds of thousands of pages that are filled with the SEC day in and day out, sniffing out the actionable details that really mattered your portfolio.

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She's the author of the book Financial Fine Print. I'm the

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founder of Footnoted. Welcome Michelle Leader. Hey, thanks for having me. So Michelle as a

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former New Yorker, I mean you've been in Los Angeles for how long now is

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going on five ten years? Not quite ten it's five I just

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punched my five year card it was actually my anniversary was February 3rd that means

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you're officially in Angelino now. I refer to highways as the two or the ten or you know

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Four or five well as someone who lives west of the four or five and lives in any neighborhood in LA, you start to learn about the challenges of getting around this city.

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But so have you fully adapted at this point? I mean, are you, you figured out this the city are you full transplant at this point?

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Oh I wouldn't quite go that far I mean I still yeah I mean there's things I like about it

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