Michelle Goldberg On Harris And The Left
The Dishcast with Andrew Sullivan
Andrew Sullivan
4.6 • 836 Ratings
🗓️ 20 September 2024
⏱️ 43 minutes
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Summary
Michelle is an opinion columnist at the New York Times, and before that she was a columnist for Slate. She has written three books: Kingdom Coming: The Rise of Christian Nationalism, The Means of Reproduction, and The Goddess Pose. She’s also an on-air contributor at MSNBC.
For two clips of our convo — debating who the real Kamala is, and how much BLM is responsible for lost black lives — pop over to our YouTube page. Other topics: growing up in Buffalo with conservative parents; her dad a journalist and mom a math teacher; Michelle a teen activist in the “Buffalo abortion wars”; the legality but ugliness of clinic protests; a pro-life man knocking the wind out of her; ACT UP; going to J-school; reporting at mega-churches in Ohio in the 2004 election; Harris’ moderate Smart on Crime book in 2009; her “triangulating” in 2019 (e.g. fracking); her busing moment with Biden; supporting a bail fund in summer 2020; Biden’s bait-and-switch as a centrist; bipartisan support for Israel; Merrick Garland’s effort to appear apolitical; lawfare; from Bush’s “f**k yeah” patriotism to Trump’s dark view of America; the Iraq War and 2008 bailout causing mistrust toward institutions; crumbling infrastructure; Trump never being a majority candidate; the cultural grievance fueling him; Michelle going to Trump rallies; the 1619 Project; debating the US as a “white supremacy”; the left radicalizing after Trump replaced a two-term black president; Covid mania; the distortion of Twitter; the Electoral College and its roots; the violent crime spike in 2020 and after; how the disadvantaged always bear the brunt of disorder; the greed of BLM Inc; the press distortion of unarmed black men killed by police; Michelle’s 2014 piece “What Is a Woman?”; Rachel Levine; puberty blockers; the Dutch protocol; the Cass Review; bathroom bills; and the GLAAD protest against the NYT.
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| 0:00.0 | The Hey there, dishads. It's another dishcast in this rather fascinating election campaign. |
| 0:35.3 | Thank you again for all your subscriptions. If you haven't subscribed, |
| 0:39.8 | please do. You'll find that the conversation today will cut off about an hour if you haven't. |
| 0:45.0 | And it just supports this entire enterprise. As you know, we're trying to get people on to talk |
| 0:49.7 | as openly and as honestly and as civilly as we can on the the issues of the day and we have so |
| 0:56.8 | great lineup coming up we have david from is coming on to talk about trump john gray the great |
| 1:02.9 | philosopher is coming on to talk about the world Anderson cooper is coming on to talk about grief |
| 1:08.5 | sam harris is coming on to talk about what we always talk about |
| 1:12.8 | every four years, which is who the hell are we going to vote for and why. And Mary Madeline |
| 1:17.6 | is coming on just to talk about shit. She's boarded politics and we'll talk about something |
| 1:23.4 | other than politics. But today we have one of the most interesting columnists at the New York |
| 1:29.5 | Times. And I'm really, really grateful that she's come on the show. Michelle Goldberg. |
| 1:35.8 | She is an opinion colonist, as you almost certainly know, at the New York Times. Before that, |
| 1:40.1 | she was a colonist for Slate. She's also written for The New Yorker and other places. |
| 1:46.0 | She's written three books, Kingdom Coming, The Rise of Christian Nationalism, the Means of |
| 1:51.5 | Reproduction, and the Goddess Pose. Michelle, thank you so, so much for coming on. |
| 1:57.6 | Thanks for having me. Tell me, we always start with this question. Where were you |
| 2:02.1 | born and where did you grow up? I was born in Rochester, New York, but left when I was very young |
| 2:07.7 | and grew up in a suburb of Buffalo, New York. And tell me about your parents. What did they do for a living? |
| 2:17.2 | So my dad was a journalist. Oh, |
| 2:19.3 | really? Yeah, he was. You know, and I actually, you know, for a long time, I thought I wanted to |
| 2:24.2 | definitely not be a journalist because I wasn't, you know, the sort of person who aspired to follow in |
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