And what's that at the foot of my bed? It's spooky and cute. I'm pretty sure it's dead. It's coming this way. Wait a minute, hey, I'm ghosted!

Hey Boo! It's me, Roz. I love this conversation that I get to share with you all today. I got to talk to Michelle Balange.

And I have been a fan of Michelle's for a while. She was on the TV show Paranormal State.

And one of my absolute favorites that I always talk about portals to hell, which you can watch on the travel channel or Discovery Plus app.

And I just think that this person is so otherworldly. I mean, she's a psychic, first of all. So with the psychic-ness, the things that she does on TV, which I absolutely choose to believe is real.

I mean, you've heard my conversations with Katrina Wideman and Jack Osborne, who also work on that show. I mean, come on, it's real. It's real. Anyway, what she does is just so cool.

And so Michelle is also a demon and a cult expert as well. She wrote the dictionary of demons and tons and tons of books. And we talk a little bit about that in this conversation.

But so what we decided to do this week is we're going to do two parts of this conversation. This week's episode is going to be focused on Michelle's psychic abilities.

And then next week, we're going to be talking about demons. And it's spooky. But I left the conversation feeling like, okay, I don't feel like I need to be terrified of demons. I think I'm going to listen to what Michelle has to say. But of course, like always, like always, with this show, please just, you know, make your own decisions on things.

But also, it's great to hear from experts and to hear their insights. And that's sort of how my beliefs, you know, I keep my beliefs obviously open and they shift all the time. But it's just hearing these conversations with demonologists and psychics and experts and exorcists and all of these people.

They definitely help me to have a very expansive idea of what could be possible. And I don't know. I just, I personally hear someone like Michelle talk and I go, yeah, that sounds about right.

But also Michelle, as you'll hear in this conversation, is somebody that is also a paranormal investigator on top of having all of these different psychic abilities. So Michelle has that open minded investigator brain as well, which I really appreciate.

So before we get to that conversation, I thought I would read an email that came to me from a listener. And that also reminds me, I would love to do a listener episode very, very soon. So please get me your listener episode submissions by emailing me at ghosted by Ross at gmail.com with the subject line listener episode.

And hopefully we can work that out real soon. This story came from Jordan. And Jordan is from my hometown of Grand Rapids, Michigan. Jordan writes, my best friend and I had a tradition dating back to college where we would drink cheap beer and watch bad movies every Thursday nights.

Our ironic alcohol of choice was 40s of King Cobra dumb, but it's important. Okay. He passed away about 10 years ago when he was hit by a car while walking home. And his death hit me really hard as my wife, fiance at the time. And I were the last people he knew to see him alive.

That's rough.

Two weeks after he passed Thursday rolled around and I couldn't think of anything else to do, but to pour one out for him. So I drove to my local party store, which was empty except for the clerk and reached for our $2 malt liquor of choice, which PS I've

had conversations with people before Jordan. I mean, I'm from the same neck of the woods as you and we call it a party store there, but a lot of party stories like what you call a liquor store basically essentially a liquor store or I don't know what do they call it where you live. Let me know.

Okay, so went to the liquor store or party store situation. When I picked it up, I saw that all the labels were completely different and I felt a hand on my shoulder and heard my friend's voice in my ear clear as day saying, I just wanted to let you know that I'm okay.

Of course, there was no one there when I turned around and I promptly broke down crying in front of nobody, but God and the proprietor of Kentwood liquor.

When I got back, still just beside myself with a combination of tears and bemused laughter, I told my wife who replied, of course, that's how he'd come back and reassure you with a loving eye roll.

The story sounds silly to type, but it was definitely him saying goodbye and it's good to know that silly juvenile traditions can transcend even death itself.

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