Michael Wolff special: Inside the head of Donald Trump

The Two Matts

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News, News Commentary, Government, Politics

4.4 • 523 Ratings

🗓️ 4 March 2025

⏱️ 53 minutes

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Summary

The Matts are joined by Trump chronicler supreme, Michael Wolff, whose new book All Or Nothing is a riveting and revelatory telling of Trump’s extraordinary journey back to the White House.

What are the characteristics that turned a seemingly irredeemable position into a second term? What do his inner circle really think of him? Why does Melania “hate his f***ing guts?” What triggered such an explosion against Zelensky? What has Putin got over him? And how can Europe deal with a President who thrives on instinct, without a plan or philosophy? All this and more in an interview both entertaining and terrifying. If you want to get inside Trump’s head, for better or worse, this is the place. Enjoy!

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1:08.0	Honored to be joined in person by Michael Wolfe.
1:11.7	The real Michael Wolf.
1:12.8	The chronicler extraordinaire of Donald Trump's presidencies.
1:17.6	Michael, welcome.
1:18.8	Thank you.
1:19.6	You know, I mean, it is rare on any podcast you get to join in person.
1:24.2	Yeah, well, exactly.
1:25.2	And especially your New York City based.
1:29.0	So we're delighted to have you here in our studio in Islington, North London.
1:34.6	Michael, you've got a new book out All or Nothing, which must be one of the fastest book releases after the inauguration of a president ever.
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