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The Big Picture

‘Michael’ Wants to Start Something It Can’t Finish. Plus: ‘Mother Mary’ With David Lowery!

The Big Picture

The Ringer

Tv & Film

4.25.9K Ratings

🗓️ 24 April 2026

⏱️ 105 minutes

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Summary

Sean and Amanda are joined by our music biopic correspondent, Yasi Salek, to unpack their complicated feelings on the highly anticipated musical biopic ‘Michael.’ Before diving into the movie, they quickly cover some movie news: most importantly, the ‘Miami Vice’ reboot getting a new title and a release date (1:51). Then, they break down all of the good, the bad, and the ugly with ‘Michael’ and highlight why the re-creation of Michael Jackson’s music feels deeply special but is ultimately inside of something hollow and uninteresting (10:31). Next, they discuss David Lowery’s new gothic fantasia musical, ‘Mother Mary,’ starring Anne Hathaway, which they praise for its beautiful filmmaking and nuanced and complicated portrayal of relationships, creativity, and fame (55:14). Finally, Lowery joins the show and explains why casting Hathaway and Michaela Coel was crucial to the movie’s success, how ‘The Green Knight’ helped him realize he wanted to work on something smaller in scale, and why making the movie felt like a supernatural experience (1:10:10). Hosts: Sean Fennessey and Amanda Dobbins Guests: David Lowery and Yasi Salek Producer: Jack Sanders Production Support: Lucas Cavanagh Camera Operators: Sarah Reddy, Donald LoBianco, and Ryan Todd Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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0:00.0

I'm Sean Fennacy. I'm Amanda Dobbins. And this is the Big Picture a conversation show about Michael and and Mary. Today on the show, we are digging into two new music-related releases with our pal from Bans Blaine, Yassie Sala. Hello. Hello. The first movie is the Michael Jackson biopic, Michael, which is directed by Antoine Fuqua and stars Jackson's nephew Jafar. The second is David Lowry's Gothic Fantasia Mother Mary. It's an extended two-hander about a fictional pop star played by Anne Hathaway and her costume designer, stylist, played by Michaela Cole. Later in this episode, I'll be joined by Lowry. Our conversation was recorded live at Vidyitz after a screening of the movie. Mother Mary is an incredibly audacious piece of work and demands to be discussed.

0:54.3

We will do that here as well. This is David's fourth time on the show after coming by to discuss

0:59.0

a ghost story. The Old Man in the Gun and the Green Knight. He's one of my favorite directors to speak with.

1:03.8

So stick around for that. Programming note. On Tuesday, I promised you that the physical media

1:10.6

high council will return and I was not

1:12.6

lying we are opening the sacred chamber and reconvening Tracy Letts Timothy hitmaker

1:18.9

Simons and Chris Ryan for a special council meeting and we want to hear your questions that's

1:24.2

right it's the first ever high council consultation. That's

1:28.7

Big Pick Mailbag at gmail.com. Big Pick Mailbag at gmail.com. Want to hear about recent

1:33.9

Blu-ray and 4K buys, gear used at our houses, shelf space concerns, anxiety about the news that

1:39.3

Disney is shutting down their home entertainment division. Gleeful excitement about the forthcoming

1:43.4

new Fight Club 4K.

1:44.6

It's all on the table. Email us and we'll dig into your questions. But first, we have some movie news right after this. Okay, Yassie, you're here to talk about news. I haven't prepared you for this at all. Have you looked at the document? It's fine. I'm not freestyling today. Okay. We will break the news to you. Yeah.

2:00.0

And then you can react.

2:01.4

You know, you can press the button live in real time.

2:03.7

You're going to...

2:04.2

I want to Rod Dog the pod. It's fine. Freestiling today. Okay. We will break the news to you. Yeah. And then you can react.

2:01.4

You know, you can press the button live in real time.

2:03.7

I want to raw dog the pod.

2:05.2

You're going to have to channel the spirit of Chris Ryan right now for this first piece of news because it's very important. Okay. I'm listening. Miami Vice 85. This is a new movie that has been greenlit

2:15.7

starring Michael B. Jordan and Austin Butler

2:18.0

as Crockin and Tubbs directed by Joseph Kaczynski

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