If there's anything I've learned about those who have endured life struggles gracefully,

found to inner peace or landed where they belong in life, it's that most of them have

something very important to lean on.

Sometimes it's trust in the universe, sometimes it's a belief in God.

But whatever it is, we can probably all use a little more of it.

And that's exactly where our next conversation comes in.

In this episode of Making Space, I sit down with Pastor Mike Todd.

He's the lead pastor at Transformation Church in Tulsa, Oklahoma.

And if you're picturing a kind of older gentleman in a suit, well, just picture it again.

Let me describe Pastor Mike to you.

Okay, he's 34 years old and he is hip.

He wears a leather jacket and Yeezy's, his haircut, his crisp, his smile, it pops.

But his message, his message is what captivates so many.

Pastor Mike hits on topics you don't often hear in a sermon.

Everything from sex to divorce.

And his congregation has fallen in love with him for it.

In fact, they line up down the block on Sundays to hear him speak.

There are some people who are actually moving.

They're actually packing their bags and moving to Tulsa to join that movement.

Pastor Mike is a New York Times best-selling author.

His new book is called Crazy Faith.

He's also a husband, father of four, and a social media maven.

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