Michael Shellenberger - “The Left Is Getting People Killed” Minneapolis Explodes Into CHAOS
The Winston Marshall Show
Winston Marshall
4.8 • 657 Ratings
🗓️ 31 January 2026
⏱️ 65 minutes
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In this episode of The Winston Marshall Show, I sit down with author and investigative journalist Michael Shellenberger for a forensic conversation on the Minneapolis ICE clashes, political radicalisation, and why he argues that the modern left is getting people killed.
We examine the killings that followed ICE deportation operations in Minneapolis, the role of activist networks in obstructing law enforcement, and how rhetoric comparing ICE to Nazis has fuelled reckless and dangerous behaviour. Michael explains why he believes organised interference, misinformation, and moral absolutism created the conditions for violence.
The discussion explores left-wing authoritarianism, the psychology of radical movements, and how protest tactics have shifted from civil disobedience to deliberate confrontation. We compare Minneapolis to Portland’s autonomous zones, January 6, and Black Lives Matter, and examine why decentralised activist networks are so difficult to contain.
We also debate the failures of ICE training and leadership, the Trump administration’s strategic missteps, the Second Amendment, personal responsibility, and whether democratic protest crosses a line when it interferes with law enforcement operations.
A hard-hitting and deeply uncomfortable conversation about ideology, power, accountability, and how political movements can lose control of their own consequences.
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Chapters
00:00 Introduction
02:36 The Left's Role in Minneapolis
08:24 The Left's Tactics and Responsibility
14:23 The Comparison with January 6 and Charlottesville
19:30 Criticisms of ICE and the Trump Administration
26:33 The Role of Personal Responsibility and the Second Amendment
43:49 The Ideology of the Left and Group Hysteria
57:46 The Impact of the Left's Actions on Public Perception
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| 0:00.0 | Hello and welcome to the Winston Marshall Show with me, Winston Marshall. |
| 0:03.9 | I sat down with American investigative journalist Michael Schenenberg, |
| 0:08.1 | Michael, host of the wildly and rightly successful public substack |
| 0:12.7 | and one of our show's most frequent and favorite guests. |
| 0:18.1 | We had a look at all things at Minneapolis, what's going on in America with regards |
| 0:21.8 | to the ICE protests, the ideological motivations on either side of this dividing line in American |
| 0:30.0 | politics, not just in politicians, in media, but in the people themselves. And Michael breaks it |
| 0:36.5 | down all the way to the psychological level. |
| 0:40.1 | Has Minneapolis become the new Portland, Oregon, the center of left and far left extremism? |
| 0:48.7 | All of that are much more. But before you hear from Michael, I just wanted to say thank you for |
| 0:53.1 | listening to the show. Remember |
| 0:54.4 | to press subscribe and follow wherever you get your podcasts from. And if you head over to |
| 0:59.0 | Winston-martial.com.uk, which is our substack? Not only will you enjoy an extended conversation |
| 1:04.8 | between me and Michael where he takes some of our substackers' superb questions? And by the way, |
| 1:08.5 | you'll be able to ask future guests your questions if you head over there. But also, we take a closer look at George Soros and how the Open Society |
| 1:16.2 | Foundation might be involved with all these various movements. That's all at winstonmartial.com. |
| 1:22.9 | But otherwise, without further ado, Michael Schellenberger. Michael Schellenberger, welcome to the show. |
| 1:30.0 | Minneapolis has seemingly become the center of all America's attention and somewhat of the clash |
| 1:40.7 | between perhaps you would call it Maga versus progressivism. I'm not sure exactly, |
| 1:47.3 | but we have had two horrifying killings, which has split America somewhat. And this is because of |
| 1:55.2 | the ICE agents attempting to do deportations. I think most people, not just in America, but across the |
| 2:02.2 | world now, are seeing the footage. Even the BBC here in England gave more attention to what |
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