Hey, welcome to the Bill Bennett Show. I'm joined by Claude Jennings. Claude, how are you?

I'm doing great. How are you? Claude, we got some pretty good reviews of our conversation

when we did just you and I without any smart people. We did. Maybe we should do that every now and again.

I shouldn't say without any smart people. You were smart. You're more than I.

Anyway, it was interesting. Our friend Brian Kennedy, you know, Brian. He liked it a lot.

He said it. I thought it was very good. Nice. So yeah. And that's a smart guy. So if he thinks of it, yeah.

Yeah. We'll defer to him. So folks, this is the podcast that takes a look at the news of the day.

I'm going to do that. And we try to have thoughtful conversation about things that matter.

Joining me today is Michael Schellenberger. He's the founder and president of Environmental Progress,

an author of the book, San Francisco, by Progressive's ruined cities.

So Martin Luther King today was Monday. Did it seem a little muted to you? Can I tell you my theory?

There was a time when white America listened and learned from black leadership

about the significance of Martin Luther King. Okay.

And we put on TV in a radio and we would hear various black spokesmen, spokespeople talk about King and his influence.

I didn't need much persuading. I've been a king guy pretty much all.

I was in Mississippi when he was there speaking and when he was assassinated in Memphis, the rain motel,

behold, the dreamer let's slam and see what becomes of his dreams in a horrible night. Anyway,

but King was the man, the man with the, let me just say it, with the progressive left right now. He's not.

Let me put it this way. Martin Luther King, what's he known for most famously? Children be judged.

Right. Yeah, by the content of the character, the color of their skin. Not the color of their skin.

Martin Luther King said most important thing is character. At least important thing is the color of your skin.

There is a movement, progressive part of progressivism might end black, saying the most important thing about you is the color of your skin.

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