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Impolitic with John Heilemann

Michael McFaul: Whose Side Are We On?

Impolitic with John Heilemann

Audacy | Puck

News, Politics

4.84.2K Ratings

🗓️ 28 February 2025

⏱️ 72 minutes

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Summary

John is joined by Michael McFaul, director of the Freeman Spogli Institute for International Studies at Stanford and former U.S. ambassador to Russia, to discuss Donald Trump's efforts to bring an end to the war in Ukraine. McFaul explains why the rare earth minerals deal between Trump and Volodymyr Zelensky amounts to an act of pure extortion by America against an ostensible ally; how Vladimir Putin views the U.S. siding with Russia at the U.N. and the reopening of diplomatic channels between Washington and Moscow; the depth of Trump’s admiration for Putin and disdain for Zelensky; and the clear-eyed if mortified European reaction to all of the above. McFaul also weighs in on whether Team Trump is effectively deep-sixing America’s role as the leader of the free world—and whether the U.S. electorate is, in fact, down with that program. To learn more about listener data and our privacy practices visit: https://www.audacyinc.com/privacy-policy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit https://podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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0:00.0

Aloha and namaste everyone and welcome to In Politics with John Heilman, a puck and

0:10.7

Odyssey Joint featuring lively, in-depth conversations with the people who roam the quarters

0:15.6

of power and influence in America, weaving the warped and wharf and wept of our politics and

0:19.6

culture. It was just a little more than a week ago

0:22.5

back on February 19th, first in a post on true social, and then in a speech at a Saudi-backed

0:29.4

investment meeting that Donald Trump stated the counterfactual slander that Ukrainian President

0:35.5

Zelensky was, quote, a dictator without elections.

0:39.8

In the nine days since then, Trump and his senior foreign policy aides have repeatedly

0:43.1

refused to acknowledge that Russia's unprovoked invasion of Ukraine in February 2022 started

0:51.1

the war that has raged in that country for the past three years.

0:57.6

They have sided with North Korea, Belarus,

0:59.9

and a handful of other Kremlin-friendly countries in voting against a UN resolution condemning Russia

1:02.4

for its unprovoked aggression

1:04.2

in demanding that Russia withdraw its troops

1:06.9

and return to Ukrainian territory

1:09.3

that the country has seized during the conflict. They have repeatedly,

1:14.4

dramatically, and falsely inflated the total amount of military aid that the U.S. has provided to Ukraine

1:21.3

and just as falsely claimed that the U.S. has contributed far more to that effort than Europe has.

1:26.7

And they have sought to negotiate a deal

1:29.5

with Zelensky, whereby Ukrainians, will fork over a vast and vastly valuable cash of

1:35.3

rare earth minerals to the United States in exchange for, well, it's not clear what they're

1:42.6

getting an exchange, really. but according to President Trump,

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