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The Gray Area with Sean Illing

Michael Ian Black on being a better man

The Gray Area with Sean Illing

Vox Media Podcast Network

Society & Culture, News, Politics, News Commentary, Philosophy

4.610.8K Ratings

🗓️ 6 June 2022

⏱️ 51 minutes

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Summary

Sean Illing talks with comedian and author Michael Ian Black about his book A Better Man, in which Black writes a letter to his son about masculinity, vulnerability, and the importance of empathy, among other things. They open the conversation discussing the tragic mass murder that took place at an elementary school in Uvalde, Texas. Black was inspired to write this book in the wake of the 2018 school shooting in Parkland, Florida, and America's mass shootings are a subject throughout his book. Sean and Michael talk about how to confront these events as fathers of boys, the myth of what it means to be a "real man," and the elusive importance of deep, male friendship. Host: Sean Illing (@seanilling), Interviews Writer, Vox Guest: Michael Ian Black (@michaelianblack), comedian; author References: A Better Man: A (Mostly Serious) Letter to My Son by Michael Ian Black (Workman; 2020 - paperback, 2022) "America's troubled relationship with paid time off for dads" by Aimee Picchi (CBS News; Oct. 19, 2021) Enjoyed this episode? Rate Vox Conversations ⭐⭐⭐⭐⭐ and leave a review on Apple Podcasts. Subscribe for free. Be the first to hear the next episode of Vox Conversations by subscribing in your favorite podcast app. Support Vox Conversations by making a financial contribution to Vox! bit.ly/givepodcasts This episode was made by: Producer: Erikk Geannikis Editor: Amy Drozdowska Engineer: Patrick Boyd Deputy Editorial Director, Vox Talk: Amber Hall Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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0:00.0

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0:16.3

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0:22.3

How do you raise a man?

0:23.8

I'm Sean Elling and I'm your host for Vox Conversations.

0:40.8

A few weeks ago, we invited Michael and Black onto the show to talk about his latest book, A Better Man.

0:47.8

Black is a comedian and a writer and an actor who you likely know from his roles in WET Hot American Summer, The State and Stella.

0:56.8

His book is an open letter to his son and it's the kind of thing only a thoughtful comic could write.

1:02.8

It's always walking the line between funny and serious and it never strays too far from its core purpose,

1:09.8

which is Black's attempt to talk to his son about what it means to be a good man in a culture that seems very confused about masculinity.

1:23.8

Michael's son was a student at an elementary school right by Sandy Hook when that massacre happened in 2012.

1:30.8

And then there was the Parkland shooting in 2018.

1:34.8

That's when Black decided to write this book and ask, why are boys committing these acts of violence?

1:42.8

And what are fathers of boys supposed to do?

1:46.8

A few days before we recorded, 19 children and two teachers were gunned down in yet another mass shooting by a young man in Yvalde, Texas.

1:59.8

There are, of course, lots of practical policy-centered conversations happening now about gun control, about the Second Amendment, about congressional inaction.

2:13.8

This is not one of those. Instead, Black and I step back and try to reflect on a bigger question.

2:22.8

What the hell is going on with young men in America?

2:29.8

We obviously deal head-on with the recent tragedy in Texas, but we also talk about our own struggles to define masculinity.

2:38.8

Why so many American men have such a hard time asking for help?

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