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Now one of the most powerful moments of sports broadcasting in recent years came last summer.

When a test match special colleague, our colleague, Ebony Rainford Brent, and the former

West Indies fast-buller Michael Holdings spoke from the heart about their experiences of racism.

It came in the wake of the Black Lives Matter protests that followed the death of George

Floyd in Minneapolis.

And the way that Michael spoke so passionately about the need to educate and find a way forward

resonated with many, including some of the most famous sports stars in the world who contacted

him to help spread the message.

And that has led to Michael to release a book, Why We Kneel, How We Rise, and is here with

us now.

Michael, it's loving to see you.

It always is a pleasure to welcome you, it's brilliant.

We don't see enough of you.

Thank you very much, I'm always glad to be with you.

Well, it's always more genial than you were about 30 years ago when you were tearing them

off 40 yards.

Anyway, we might talk about that later on.

Well, the book, did you ever think you'd write a book about this?

No, never, ever.

And even after what I said on the sky and all the feedback that I got, I still did not

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