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Unbelievable?

Michael Gungor & Evan Wickham: Millennials, music and mystical deconstruction

Unbelievable?

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Christianity, Religion & Spirituality

4.62.3K Ratings

🗓️ 28 October 2022

⏱️ 88 minutes

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Summary

Michael Gungor and his wife Lisa were pioneers in the Christian music scene, building a loyal fan base through Gungor's music and podcasts such as The Liturgists. However, Michael's recent turn towards an increasingly progressive, msytical and deconstructed interpretation of faith has left many Christians confused. Evan Wickham is a pastor in San Diego and a friend and former musical collaborator with Gungor. They engage in a discussion on Michael's spiritual journey and why Evan has stayed within a historic orthodox Christian tradition. For Michael Gungor: http://www.gungormusic.com/ For Evan Wickham: https://evanwickham.com/ • Subscribe to the Unbelievable? podcast: https://pod.link/267142101 • More shows, free eBook & newsletter: https://premierunbelievable.com • For live events: http://www.unbelievable.live • For online learning: https://www.premierunbelievable.com/training-and-events • Support us in the USA: http://www.premierinsight.org/unbelievableshow • Support us in the rest of the world: https://www.premierunbelievable.com/donate

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0:00.0

It's begging this question for the listeners is like what were the circumstances of this

0:11.6

2016 waking up thing like like you keep referring to it as this moment of grounding what

0:17.1

were those circumstances?

0:18.1

Yeah, well I want to also be clear I'll tell you the circumstances but this will immediately

0:22.1

make people a lot of people go oh wow come on but I want to be clear that when I'm talking

0:29.0

about 2016 I'm not like remembering a thing that I'm like I get because there were there

0:35.5

were still the side of mushrooms were involved in a shamanic ceremony and when you hear

0:43.3

that when people hear that it's easy to be like oh you saw something while you were

0:49.8

high on drugs. You're listening to unbelievable with Justin Riley.

0:57.9

Hello and welcome to this week's edition of the show Michael Gunger and Evan Wickham

1:01.9

joined me today to explore what exactly happened to Gunger going to be an interesting one.

1:06.6

That's been an interesting week in the UK a new Prime Minister Rishi Sunak the fifth

1:11.7

I think in six years well at least unbelievable is here year in year out and fact the end

1:17.6

of October marks are 17th year since we started on air on Premier Christian Radio believe

1:22.6

it or not but now listen to all over the world there's a podcast watched on YouTube and

1:27.1

of course lots of other ways in which you can interact with us via Premier unbelievable

1:30.9

we're more than just an apologetics discussion show we have all kinds of podcasts I'll be letting

1:36.2

you know about some of the stuff we've been broadcasting recently we've got loads of articles

1:40.2

and resources training as well available from our website that's premier unbelievable.com

1:45.8

and I do want to make sure you've marked your calendar for Tuesday the 15th of November

1:51.0

to join me discussing culture war questions with Sean McDowell this is a live event

1:56.1

Sean's a brilliant apologist and speaker his most recent book a Rebels manifesto is aimed

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