Welcome to the Eric Metaxis show with your host, Eric Mettaxas.

Hey there, folks. If you know me at all, you know that I love talking about faith and science.

You probably know that my new book is atheism dead deals with a lot of faith in science.

It's nothing less than astonishing.

When you realize that the idea, most of us have heard in our lifetimes that faith in science are at odds is not even

slightly true. It is in fact the opposite. It's hard for us to shift our paradigms, but we need to.

As I said, I write about it a lot in my new book. But a friend, Michael Gillen, we've had him on before, has a new book out on the very same subject called Believing is Seeing.

He's a real scientist.

Michael Gillen, welcome.

Hey, Eric, it's so good to see you again, my brother.

Looking forward to our conversation.

It's great.

It's great to see you and uh to talk to

you i love talking about all this stuff especially with somebody uh who knows about it the way you do you

really uh came to faith later in life you had been hostile to faith and now you're writing books

explaining to people that faith and science are friends and that this is a,

it's a lie that they're at odds.

In the book you talk about how the latest discoveries in neuroscience, physics, astronomy,

mathematics, point to faith in many ways.

Talk about that because, I mean, what do you mean when you say neuroscience?

I'm not even sure.

Do I know what neuroscience is?

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