Michael Gove: Shabana Mahmood will lead Labour... but not yet
This Is Why
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🗓️ 21 November 2025
⏱️ 19 minutes
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Summary
She’s the Labour home secretary winning praise from the Tories and Reform UK – no wonder Shabana Mahmood’s crackdown on immigration has grated with some of her own backbenchers.
But what is driving Mahmood's stance on small boats, and can her ideas land for Labour?
Niall is joined by the former Conservative cabinet minister turned Spectator editor, Lord Michael Gove, who talks of his admiration for Shabana Mahmood. They also discuss her approach to politics and immigration policy as well as her leadership ambitions.
Producer: Soila Apparicio
Editor: Mike Bovill
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| 0:07.9 | As Labour's left, struggles to accept the scale of the shift. Who is Shabana Mahmood? |
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| 1:34.1 | Hi everyone, welcome to another one of our weekend profiles. |
| 1:37.5 | This time it's the turn of Home Secretary Shabana Mahmood. |
| 1:41.0 | And even at first glance, she is fascinating. Parachuted into the home office |
| 1:46.2 | earlier this year after a stint at justice, she was essentially directed to think the |
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