What is up theology nerds? You're listening to Homebrewed Christianity.

Been rocking, rocking the podcast world for all the theology nerds since 2008.

And on the podcast today, we get associate professor of religious studies at the University of South Florida, Michael De Jong, who is an amazing Bonhoeffer scholar that he teaches Christian theology, its history, modern religious thought, and has published quite a few texts on old Dietrich Bonhoeffer, including Bonhofer on resistance,

the word against the wheel. And in this conversation, see, you're going to hear my co-host

for the upcoming Bonhoffer in the future of faith course, Jeff Pugh, and interview Michael

with me. This is one of the bonus episodes conversations of sort that we did

last time. Jeff and I did a Bonhofer class together. And it's never been on the podcast. And I think

it gives you an idea of when what can happen in these online classes. We will move from introducing

the character and wrestling with

the ideas to getting down to real specific details and then how looking at them in their

context can open up questions for us and our present. And this, we tackle like Bonhofer

and his relationship to Carl Bart and that movement, how he's inheriting Luther and thinking

about theology and politics and the Lutheran perspective and in that movement, how he's inheriting Luther and thinking about theology and

politics and the Lutheran perspective and in that kind of moment of historical tumult.

Like, this is a fun and nerdy conversation. And since it hadn't been on the podcast and we

are about to dig into Bonhofer, I thought we should put it out. Actually, someone that was in the class,

I should put it out and said, hey, you remember Michael's conversation? That was so much fun.

Could you share it with me? And I'm like, let's just share it on the podcast. All right? So here

it is. It's a bunch of fun. You want to do this and have five lectures from five different Bonhofer scholars, then you should

probably go to www. rise of bonhofer.com. And you'll be able to join up donation base zero to a

million no more. And each Monday you'll get a lecture from a different Bonhofer scholar, looking at how

his theological vision and witness and legacy can shape and guide us to reflect on contemporary

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