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This is the Tom Harbin program.

On the line with us is Michael Cohen, the principal at crisis exit crisis management company,

previously was the personal attorney of Donald Trump, executive VP of the Trump Organization,

special counsel to Donald Trump. You may recall his previous book, Disloyal, a memoir.

He hosts the Amia Culpo with Michael Cohen podcast, by the way. He has a new book out.

It's called Revenge. The website is Revenge-thebook.com. His Twitter handle is Michael Cohen 212.

Michael, welcome back to the program. I'm curious about your role as kind of a fixer or

consigliery or whatever you want to call it in the Trump Organization. To what extent was the

Trump Organization back in the day run along the lines of other more mainstream, typically Italian,

but there are obviously versions unique to different ethnicities. They're crime families in

New York City. You're clear about this. Donald Trump, the Trump Organization was not Mafia Inc.

It was not crime, crime central. Donald behaved like a Mafia book boss. He had learned that

early on in his career when he was under the tutelage of the very infamous Roy Cohen, his lawyer,

who represented many high, you know, high ranking Mafia individuals. Donald has no email address.

He was always taught not to have his fingerprints on anything. Now, again, what we do have to remember

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