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My guest today is one of the most recognisable rugby coaches in the world. A rugby union player turned coach who led Australia to the 2015 World Cup final

and sent England packing from the group stages in their home tournament, might I add.

Checks.

Have you, have Dan Cole, Mike Brown, Anthony Watson, you've spoken to them about that game?

No.

No, no.

Because there's six or seven others where they pumped us, so I'd rather keep it quiet.

Take one, give one.

Yeah, exactly.

Five years later, in an emotional and personal decision, he code switched to rugby league

to coach the team of his parents' home nation, Lebanon.

A decision which led to him to be dubbed the busiest man in rugby, as he

simultaneously coached Lebanon's league team and the Argentina Union team. The only man to have won

the major domestic competition in both hemispheres, he currently coaches the English premierships,

Lester Tigers. My guest today, Michael Checker. How are you, Jax?

Very well, thanks. Thanks for coming in.

Appreciate it. The reason I get, just to be up front about this, right, the reason we wanted to have

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