Welcome to the Eric Metaxis show with your host, Eric Metaxis.

Folks, welcome back. I'm talking to Margarita Mooney.

Margarita Mooney, okay, you're an associate professor of practical theology at Princeton Theological Seminary.

And you believe in Jesus.

And you believe in classical learning and meaning and goodness and truth and beauty, which is all very hopeful.

I think a lot of us believe that, you know, the Academy has gone to hell.

And yet there are bright lights, particularly at Princeton.

Robbie George is at Princeton. It's important that we realize that the truth never goes away.

It's sometimes the flame gutters, but it can't go out because God chooses for it to stay lit.

I agree with that.

Right now, Eric, I want to leave your listeners with an image that really one might look at our current condition and see embers.

But really, what I see is the flame, right?

So these have been difficult times, but let's look at the flame. Let's look at the

light. Let's look at the bright spots. I'm not denying that there are embers, that there's ashes,

that there's been pain and destruction. Absolutely, I've seen that, but I've see the light. And I think

right now is an important time to share this resource, this book, and to bring this light to every corner of education.

I conclude the book, the last chapter, with a dialogue with Roosevelt Montas, who came to the United

States as an immigrant from the Dominican Republic when he was 12.

And he says so eloquently, he went on to Columbia University and was the head of their

core curriculum where they read the classics, philosophy, history.

And he said he was completely taken by Augustine's confessions and by Plato's Symposium on Love.

And he says in his own words, what are we saying when we say that because of someone's class, background, or skin color,

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