From the historic campus of Hillsdale College in Hillsdale, Michigan, where the good, the true, and the beautiful are taught, nurtured, and honored, this is the Radio Free Hillsdale Hour, bringing the activity and education of the college to listeners across the country.

I think of the American founders would look at it and say, okay, why is the country still in NATO?

Why does NATO even exist? Right? They were very skeptical of permanent alliances and skeptical of any kind of alliance and said, look, there will come times when the

country will need to engage in alliances, but it should do so very cautiously.

It should, you know, the stakes need to be very high.

The issues need to be thought through carefully.

And the United States needs to make sure to time limit these things for the purpose at hand.

This is your host, Scott Bertram.

Welcome to the Radio Free Hillsdale Hour, part of the Hillsdale College Podcast Network.

That was Michael Anton, lecturer in politics and research fellow at Hillsdale's Kirby Center in Washington, D.C.,

and your teacher for the brand new Hillsdale Online Course, American Foreign

Policy. We talked in-depth with Michael about that course today. Michael Anton, thanks so much for

joining us. Thank you. I want to talk a bit along the way about some of the big moments

covered in the course, but as we begin, get people an overview of this

American foreign policy course. What do you hope that people take away from what you're teaching

them? Mostly, I want to restore an understanding or help restore, and I should say that, you know,

the course is really based on the scholarship of others.

It's very derivative in that sense.

I don't mean to be to sell myself short as a teacher.

I may be pretty good at explaining it, but without other people having done all this pioneering work,

I would have nothing to talk about, including our own hotel professor, Tom West.

It's to try to restore the founders' understanding

...