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Michael and Us: Heaven on Earth

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Socialism, History, News, Left, Jacobin, Alternative, Socialist, Politics

4.71.5K Ratings

🗓️ 9 February 2023

⏱️ 54 minutes

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Summary

Terrence Malick perfected his now-signature style with his rapturously beautiful second film, DAYS OF HEAVEN (1978). We discuss the film's depiction of hardscrabble American life in the early 20th century, and Malick's holistic view of humanity and nature. PLUS: an alarming update on the state of Canadian media, and the U.S. Congress condemnation of socialism.


"On Earth as It Is in Heaven" by Adrian Martin - https://www.criterion.com/current/posts/555-days-of-heaven-on-earth-as-it-is-in-heaven


Michael and Us is a podcast about political cinema and our crumbling world hosted by Will Sloan and Luke Savage.



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0:00.0

Music

0:18.0

You were saying Pauline Cale didn't like the film we watched for this week's episode.

0:22.6

Yeah, a famous story.

0:23.7

The editor of the New Yorker William Sean, after reading her review of the film, which will

0:29.1

remain nameless for the time being said, you know, I don't know if it makes any difference

0:33.7

to you that Terry is like a son to me and she said, tough shit, Bill.

0:38.9

When did Pauline Cale pass away?

0:40.9

She died in 2001, but she had been retired for 10 years or so because she had Parkinson's.

0:47.4

But so she obviously, having passed away in 2001, could never have gotten Twitter.

0:51.6

I would love it if she had Twitter.

0:53.2

I think it would go a little something like this.

0:56.3

No, but how would it have gone?

0:57.5

Would Pauline Cale have been like, would she have become like an insufferable Twitter

1:01.9

lib, would she have kind of maybe moved culturally to the right in some way?

1:05.7

What do you think?

1:06.3

Well, first of all, I think she would have resisted it.

1:08.3

I mean, she was known for her incredibly long and dense articles.

1:12.8

I think she would have viewed it as the downfall of civilization.

1:16.4

But I don't know if she were a little bit younger, but exactly the same person.

1:19.8

Like if she were one of her acolytes, if she were one of the Paulettes, as they were called,

1:24.4

who is on Twitter now, yeah, she would be a rush a gate person.

1:28.5

You think so?

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