Michael and Us: Citizen of the World
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🗓️ 19 October 2023
⏱️ 33 minutes
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Summary
With the crisis in Gaza on our minds, we spend a little time with one of the most acclaimed Palestinian filmmakers, Elia Suleiman, and his lovely film IT MUST BE HEAVEN (2019).
"We Cannot Cross Until We Carry Each Other" by Arielle Angel - https://jewishcurrents.org/we-cannot-cross-until-we-carry-each-other
Order Luke's new book Seeking Social Democracy: Seven Decades in the Fight for Equality coauthored with Ed Broadbent - https://ecwpress.com/products/seeking-social-democracy-ed-broadbent
TORONTO: See Luke and Ed Broadbent in conversation at the Toronto Reference Library on October 22 - https://www.eventbrite.ca/e/seeking-social-democracy-a-conversation-with-ed-broadbent-tickets-713793665067
VANCOUVER: See Luke and Ed at the Central Library on November 1 - https://vpl.bibliocommons.com/events/650b36ea2d0219cf8b5cf95f
Michael and Us is a podcast about political cinema and our crumbling world hosted by Will Sloan and Luke Savage.
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| 0:00.0 | Well, welcome to Michael and us. I'm Will Sloane, here is always with. |
| 0:03.8 | Luke Savage, welcome back everyone. A lot has happened since we last recorded. |
| 0:08.8 | We're recording this episode on the afternoon of Wednesday, October 18th. I mention that because, |
| 0:14.5 | as you know, the news is moving very fast, so anything kind of happened by the evening, |
| 0:19.6 | by tomorrow, or whenever this comes out. I think I might just start by saying, |
| 0:24.0 | I don't know how you feel Luke, the last two weeks have been one of the most politically clarifying times |
| 0:30.8 | of my life, maybe the most politically clarifying. Obviously don't need to tell people |
| 0:37.0 | the abject horror that we've seen, but in addition to what's happening in Gaza, the response from |
| 0:44.5 | the Western leaders, from our leaders, you know, if you're an American listener or a British |
| 0:49.9 | listener from your leaders, I'm hesitant to be hyperbolic, but I can't think of anything I've |
| 0:54.0 | seen in my lifetime that's been quite as clarifying about, you know, what the true priorities, |
| 0:59.2 | the true commitments of the liberal leaders. The rules based international order that we're so |
| 1:04.9 | constantly told exists. The liberal leaders. And it is the basis for, you know, the moral credibility |
| 1:10.9 | of Western liberal democracies when they orient themselves throughout the world. |
| 1:15.5 | culminating with yesterday, the bombing of the El Ali hospital, which the campaign of obfuscation |
| 1:24.4 | around that up to and including Joe Biden in Israel today saying, God, what, what did he say? Like, |
| 1:32.5 | oh, from, from everything I've seen, it looks like it was the other team. I mean, they can't even, |
| 1:38.4 | it's so cynical. It's just right in front of us. It's a true mask off moment. Yeah, I mean, of course, |
| 1:44.3 | you know, we don't know 100% what happened here, but suffice it to say, I mean, it does seem |
| 1:49.4 | very unlikely given the details surrounding what happened at the hospital that the, you know, |
| 1:55.2 | official story offered of, you know, a rocket that misfired is true. In fact, of all places, |
| 2:01.5 | there was some very good reporting on this on MSNBC yesterday, which I think is probably a pretty |
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