Welcome to the Eric Matexas show with your host Eric Matexas.

Hey there folks.

Kind of an exciting guest right now.

At least the story is exciting.

His name is Michael Wilder.

The book just came out, Harvest House, Passport to Heaven, the true story of a zealous Mormon

missionary who discovers the Jesus he never knew.

Passport to Heaven, Michael Wilder, welcome.

Nice to be here.

Thanks for having me.

This is an important story.

You've lived it.

You put it in your book, Passport to Heaven.

But I think a lot of people, there are many people that are not theological and they kind

of sloppy and they don't really, they don't care about the theology and maybe they're not

just sloppy, maybe they're just not focused on it.

But then there are other people that are hyper theological and all they care about is theology.

And so you started life as a Mormon and something happened and this is that story.

A lot of people, let me begin here, would say, look I'm a Mormon and I pray to Jesus and

I don't understand why you're making a weird issue of this.

What do you say to somebody like that?

Yes, so for me growing up in Mormonism, I had this understanding of God that was rooted

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