MI377: How Aswath Damodaran Invests Across The Corporate Lifecycle w/ Shawn O’Malley

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4.6 • 592 Ratings

🗓️ 11 November 2024

⏱️ 54 minutes

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In today’s episode, Shawn O’Malley (@Shawn_OMalley_) discusses how companies can age just like people, how to define and understand the corporate life cycle, why the corporate decline phase is both inevitable and almost always poorly managed, how to invest across the corporate life cycle, plus so much more from studying Aswath Damodaran and recent research from Michael Mauboussin & Dan Callahan of Morgan Stanley. Aswath Damodaran is a renowned professor of finance at NYU who recently published a book on corporate life cycles. Shawn pulls from Aswath and other sources in painting an actionable picture of the corporate life cycle and how it affects investors while also diving into case studies on three aging companies: Intel, Walgreens, and Starbucks. Prefer to watch? Click here to watch this episode on YouTube. IN THIS EPISODE, YOU’LL LEARN 00:00 - Intro 02:18 - Why companies age 07:37 - What the corporate life cycle looks like 18:03 - How companies can age gracefully (and why most don’t) 23:35 - How Intel, Walgreens, and Starbucks face different and similar challenges of aging 29:23 - Which declining stock Aswath Damodaran is investing in 34:31 - Investing strategies based on the corporate life cycle 36:59 - Why it’s important to diversify across the corporate life cycle 43:19 - Why younger companies carry more duration risk And much, much more! *Disclaimer: Slight timestamp discrepancies may occur due to podcast platform differences. BOOKS AND RESOURCES Join the exclusive TIP Mastermind Community to engage in meaningful stock investing discussions with Kyle and the other community members. Clay Finck’s interview with Aswath Damodaran on We Study Billionaires | YouTube Video. Morgan Stanley’s paper on stages of the corporate life cycle. Damodaran’s free online course about the corporate life cycle. Book: The Corporate Lifecycle by Aswath Damodaran. Book: The Little Book of Valuation by Aswath Damodaran. Blog post on the investing implications of the corporate life cycle. Check out the case study on aging on Intel, Starbucks, and Walgreens. Aswath Damodaran’s YouTube channel. Aswath Damodaran’s free mobile app for valuation. Check out the books mentioned in the podcast here. Enjoy ad-free episodes when you subscribe to our Premium Feed. NEW TO THE SHOW? Follow our official social media accounts: X (Twitter) | LinkedIn | Instagram | Facebook | TikTok. Check out our Millennial Investing Starter Packs. Browse through all our episodes (complete with transcripts) here. Try Kyle's favorite tool for picking stock winners and managing our portfolios: TIP Finance. Enjoy exclusive perks from our favorite Apps and Services. Stay up-to-date on financial markets and investing strategies through our daily newsletter, We Study Markets. Learn how to better start, manage, and grow your business with the best business podcasts. SPONSORS Support our free podcast by supporting our sponsors: Fiscal.AI Connect with Shawn: Twitter | LinkedIn | Email HELP US OUT! Help us reach new listeners by leaving us a rating and review on Spotify! It takes less than 30 seconds and really helps our show grow, which allows us to bring on even better guests for you all! Thank you – we really appreciate it! Support our show by becoming a premium member! https://theinvestorspodcastnetwork.supportingcast.fm Support our show by becoming a premium member! https://theinvestorspodcastnetwork.supportingcast.fm Support our show by becoming a premium member! https://theinvestorspodcastnetwork.supportingcast.fm Support our show by becoming a premium member! https://theinvestorspodcastnetwork.supportingcast.fm Support our show by becoming a premium member! https://theinvestorspodcastnetwork.supportingcast.fm Support our show by becoming a premium member! https://theinvestorspodcastnetwork.supportingcast.fm Support our show by becoming a premium member! https://theinvestorspodcastnetwork.supportingcast.fm Support our show by becoming a premium member! https://theinvestorspodcastnetwork.supportingcast.fm Support our show by becoming a premium member! https://theinvestorspodcastnetwork.supportingcast.fm Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices Support our show by becoming a premium member! https://theinvestorspodcastnetwork.supportingcast.fm

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0:00.0	You're listening to TIP.
0:02.7	Hey, hey, welcome back to the Millennial Investing Podcast.
0:05.5	On today's episode, I'll be sharing my takeaways from studying the legendary professor of finance at NYU,
0:11.9	Azotamotran, and his research into the corporate life cycle.
0:15.1	He's known as the Dean of Valuation for good reason, and that's because he spent much of the
0:19.8	last four decades examining
0:21.3	corporate valuation to a degree that is really largely unrivaled. What I admire the most about
0:26.0	Azvoth beyond his incredible expertise in investing is that he makes so much of his material
0:30.9	available for free. While earning an MBA at NYU could easily cost you over $100,000,
0:36.7	Demodron has insisted on making all of his
0:38.9	classes, as well as his PowerPoints, quizzes, and other notes available for free on his website
0:43.5	and on YouTube. Aswath recently released a new book on how to invest across the corporate
0:48.3	lifecycle from startups to mature and declining businesses. I'll go through what value investors
0:53.6	get wrong most frequently
0:54.8	about understanding the corporate life cycle, why there is no such thing as a universally great
0:59.2	CEO, how the tactics we use to value companies should change as they mature, some case
1:04.1	studies from his latest blog posts on Intel, Starbucks, and Walgreens, and how each of those
1:08.7	mature companies are on very different trajectories
1:11.0	in their life cycle.
1:12.5	I'll also review a recent study from Michael Mobison and Dan Callahan of Morgan Stanley,
1:17.4	which covers their unique approach to measuring a company's age and a winning strategy
1:21.6	they identified based on transition points in the corporate life cycle.
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