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The Intrinsic Value Podcast - The Investor’s Podcast Network

MI308: The Options Advantage For Value Investors w/ Matthew Peterson

The Intrinsic Value Podcast - The Investor’s Podcast Network

The Investor's Podcast Network

Education, Investing, Business

4.6592 Ratings

🗓️ 28 November 2023

⏱️ 70 minutes

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Summary

Kyle Grieve chats with Matthew Peterson about his journey into the fund management industry, what potential fund managers should consider before starting a new fund, the powerful effects of using post mortems, how he used the Kelly criterion to create his concentrated portfolio, the use case for options for long-term value investors, why options can be a win-win for investors who want to own shares with cheaper entry prices than the market offers, the Seritage Growth Properties situation, and a whole lot more! IN THIS EPISODE, YOU’LL LEARN: 00:00 - Intro 03:12 - Matthew’s origin story for the fund with limited assets. 05:41 - The importance of a good fee structure. 19:25 - The benefits of a concentrated portfolio. 31:35 - How to own shares at below-market prices with options. 43:29 - Insights into his structured dividend capture system. 57:33 - Updates on a recently exited business. And much, much more! *Disclaimer: Slight timestamp discrepancies may occur due to podcast platform differences. BOOKS AND RESOURCES Read Matthew Peterson’s fund letters here. Watch Matthew Peterson on YouTube here. NEW TO THE SHOW? Join the exclusive TIP Mastermind Community to engage in meaningful stock investing discussions with Kyle and the other community members. Check out our Millennial Investing Starter Packs. Browse through all our episodes (complete with transcripts) here. Try Kyle's favorite tool for picking stock winners and managing our portfolios: TIP Finance. Enjoy exclusive perks from our favorite Apps and Services. Stay up-to-date on financial markets and investing strategies through our daily newsletter, We Study Markets. Learn how to better start, manage, and grow your business with the best business podcasts. Help us understand our audience better so we can create a more intentional user experience by answering this survey! SPONSORS Support our free podcast by supporting our sponsors: Fiscal.AI Connect with Kyle:  Twitter | LinkedIn | Website Connect with Matthew: Twitter | LinkedIn | Website Support our show by becoming a premium member! https://theinvestorspodcastnetwork.supportingcast.fm Support our show by becoming a premium member! https://theinvestorspodcastnetwork.supportingcast.fm Support our show by becoming a premium member! https://theinvestorspodcastnetwork.supportingcast.fm Support our show by becoming a premium member! https://theinvestorspodcastnetwork.supportingcast.fm Support our show by becoming a premium member! https://theinvestorspodcastnetwork.supportingcast.fm Support our show by becoming a premium member! https://theinvestorspodcastnetwork.supportingcast.fm Support our show by becoming a premium member! https://theinvestorspodcastnetwork.supportingcast.fm Support our show by becoming a premium member! https://theinvestorspodcastnetwork.supportingcast.fm Support our show by becoming a premium member! https://theinvestorspodcastnetwork.supportingcast.fm Support our show by becoming a premium member! https://theinvestorspodcastnetwork.supportingcast.fm Support our show by becoming a premium member! https://theinvestorspodcastnetwork.supportingcast.fm Support our show by becoming a premium member! https://theinvestorspodcastnetwork.supportingcast.fm Support our show by becoming a premium member! https://theinvestorspodcastnetwork.supportingcast.fm Support our show by becoming a premium member! https://theinvestorspodcastnetwork.supportingcast.fm Support our show by becoming a premium member! https://theinvestorspodcastnetwork.supportingcast.fm Support our show by becoming a premium member! https://theinvestorspodcastnetwork.supportingcast.fm Support our show by becoming a premium member! https://theinvestorspodcastnetwork.supportingcast.fm Support our show by becoming a premium member! https://theinvestorspodcastnetwork.supportingcast.fm Support our show by becoming a premium member! https://theinvestorspodcastnetwork.supportingcast.fm Support our show by becoming a premium member! https://theinvestorspodcastnetwork.supportingcast.fm Support our show by becoming a premium member! https://theinvestorspodcastnetwork.supportingcast.fm Support our show by becoming a premium member! https://theinvestorspodcastnetwork.supportingcast.fm Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices Support our show by becoming a premium member! https://theinvestorspodcastnetwork.supportingcast.fm

Transcript

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0:00.0

You're listening to TIP.

0:02.5

Early investors often invests like a Ben Graham style.

0:06.2

So they're doing a lot of accounting.

0:07.7

They're doing a lot of work with the financial statements.

0:11.0

When that becomes really second nature and ingrained in your process, then I think the

0:16.9

evolution is quite natural.

0:18.6

You start looking for, I start looking for things that are

0:21.9

not on the financial statements. So I'm more looking for value that wouldn't be picked up by a stock

0:29.2

screen. I'm aware that most investors, retail and even professional, are out there creating

0:35.3

filters and screening for the stocks that they want to

0:38.8

research. It seems, it's a slight difference than what we do with our 13Fs, but what happens

0:44.1

is in statistics, you get type 1 and type 2 errors. So when you screen, the things that are

0:49.7

on the financial statements actually hurt you. You have type 1 errors when you have a lot of firms that

0:55.7

shouldn't be in your output that show up in your output as a great opportunity.

1:04.8

In this episode, I chat with Matthew Peterson about his journey into the fund management industry,

1:09.8

what potential fund managers

1:10.9

should consider before starting a new fund, the powerful effects of using post-mortems,

1:16.0

how he used the Kelly criteria to create his concentrated portfolio, the use for options for

1:21.0

long-term value investors, why options can be a win-win for investors who want to own shares with

1:25.9

cheaper entry prices than the market

1:27.7

offers, the serenage growth property situation, and a whole lot more. My first introduction to Matthew

1:33.2

Peterson was a few years ago when I was doing some research into options. Although options

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