meta_pixel
Tapesearch Logo
Log in
Messy Family Podcast : Catholic Conversations on Marriage and Family

MFP 349: Why Have Kids? an Interview with the author of Hannah's Children

Messy Family Podcast : Catholic Conversations on Marriage and Family

Mike and Alicia Hernon : Catholic Marriage Parent and Family

Parenting, Religion & Spirituality, Christianity, Kids & Family

4.9841 Ratings

🗓️ 15 September 2025

⏱️ 58 minutes

🧾️ Download transcript

Summary

"I think that bringing children into the world is like bringing holiness into the world." - Catherine Pakaluk

 

Summary

In this episode, Mike and Alicia sit down with Catherine Pakaluk, economist and author of Hannah's Children, to challenge common cultural myths about large families. Secular researchers often assume religious women have many children because they are oppressed, but Catherine explains why this is far from true. Instead, faith gives parents the conviction that children are a blessing and the true good of marriage. Struggles, dysfunction, or finances exist in every family, regardless of size—yet joy comes from embracing life, not avoiding it. Mothers discover their fullest potential through their children, and their joy isn't tied to public opinion or material resources. Parenthood is priceless, a long-term collaboration with God, who always gives grace when we say yes to Him.

 

Key Takeaways

  • Secular researchers assume that religious women have many children because they are oppressed.  This is a myth. 

  • A conviction formed by faith that children are a good of marriage is not irrational. 

  • Religious women often are more open to children because they see children as a blessing and their "yes" is an assent to receiving those blessings from God.

  • Many people use their dysfunctions and struggles as an excuse to not have more children, but the reality is that those issues are present regardless of the number of children you have. 

  • Mothers achieve their full potential through their children. 

  • Most mothers of large families don't care what people say because their joy doesn't come from that anyway. 

  • Financial incentives to have children don't work because most parents don't need more material resources to have more children. Parenting is so valuable that money can't buy it.  It is priceless. 

  • Mothers should never focus on "being done".  Embrace your fertility and God will give you the grace when you need it. This is a long-term collaboration with the Lord. 

 

Couple Discussion Questions

  • Do we talk about "being done"?  Or do we talk about "getting started"?  

  • Do we see children as a blessing?  Do we want more blessings in our lives right now? 

Resources

Buy the book on Amazon:  https://a.co/d/gEGkjEy

 

Transcript

Click on a timestamp to play from that location

0:00.0

Family, all in this together.

0:08.2

Family, we're taking a chance.

0:10.8

Family, like birds of a feather.

0:13.3

Family, we got my shoes and dance.

0:15.4

Hey, we are Mike and Alicia Hernin.

0:17.4

We have 10 kids and grandkids too, and we are here for every parent. Because we are on a

0:22.2

mission to empower moms and dads to embrace their sacred calling. So join the conversation.

0:28.0

Family, we're taking a chance. Welcome to the podcast. We're so glad you joined us today.

0:35.5

And we, we have heard about this title, this topic, this author

0:40.8

for a while now. There was a, there were more than one person from different avenues who said,

0:47.8

oh, have you talked to Catherine Bacalloch? And you heard about Hannah's children.

0:52.6

Yeah. So we were really excited to have her on.

0:55.2

You guys are really going to love this interview.

0:56.8

She is a woman, first of all, who has a really cool story herself, but she has collected

1:01.8

stories from mothers of large families, all from all different walks of life and different

1:08.0

religions.

1:08.6

They're not just Catholic, some Jewish, some Muslim, Mormon.

1:12.6

And I think that her background as a researcher kind of comes through.

1:17.1

So I thought it was like, it's like fascinating stories, but also fascinating the conclusions.

1:24.1

Yeah, some great insights.

1:25.3

Yeah, you guys are to love this interview.

1:27.1

All right.

...

Please login to see the full transcript.

Disclaimer: The podcast and artwork embedded on this page are from Mike and Alicia Hernon : Catholic Marriage Parent and Family, and are the property of its owner and not affiliated with or endorsed by Tapesearch.

Generated transcripts are the property of Mike and Alicia Hernon : Catholic Marriage Parent and Family and are distributed freely under the Fair Use doctrine. Transcripts generated by Tapesearch are not guaranteed to be accurate.

Copyright © Tapesearch 2026.