Welcome to Made for Profit, a podcast where we talk business in the shop and help you monetize as a maker.

Each week we cover business topics to help you grow your full-time business or your side hustle.

We'll also bring you interviews from a variety of people winning in their space to share valuable business insights and life lessons.

I'm Brad Rodriguez, a full-time content creator running Fix This Build That.com.

And my co-host, John Mulecki, runs a full-time furniture company and his content site,

John Mellecki.com.

We've been growing our successful businesses online, and we want to bring you into the conversation

and help you grow along with us.

Welcome to episode 31. Today we're going to be talking about the heart of any online business,

and that's your website. And we're going to share our experiences about building our own websites and where to get started and what to look for and give you some of the options that are available

out there. John, what's up, man?

What you've been listening to this week?

So I actually just finished a book up yesterday.

It's called The Four by Scott Galloway.

It was super interesting.

It dives into how Facebook, Amazon, Apple, and Google have become what he calls the four horsemen of our world.

And if you think about it, they're integrated

in every little aspect of our lives, which is, which is insane. But from a business standpoint,

the book jumps more into the psychology behind why this is happening and why this works,

compared to the standard top end business talk of, you know, they had certain revenues and blah, blah.

So it was really cool to see how people think.

And I was really into how a real marketer in the author, Scott Galloway,

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