Welcome, welcome, welcome once again, to the Conversations That Matter Podcast. This is an

unannounced live stream. It's going to be a short one because I got a hard break in

about 35 minutes, but I wanted to talk about a few things and I first before I say anything a number of you have

messaged me about this Asbury revival at least that's what it's called and I am on it so tomorrow evening or late afternoon

there should be an episode up on that in fact that's my hard break I got to talk to someone who's currently there and

someone else who just attended and there's some video we're gonna play and

we're gonna just talk about this I'll try to bring maybe a little bit of a historical perspective to it because

Revivals, there is a definition at least to revivals or an understanding we've developed over time observing them

and biblically of course there's theology to bring to bear on this as well so that's

what's going on tomorrow but for today I wanted to bring to your attention just a few things, if I may.

We will start with this.

This is a post from Rachel Den Hollander and see if I can blow this up so everyone can see it

there. This is a post from Rachel Den Hollander.

And, you know, essentially what it says is that

ACBC and the NANC, so the National Association of the Athletic Councilors and ACBC which is the Association of Certified biblical counselors are wrong.

They're not good.

And she says it's the fruit of ACBC and Nanc, sometimes they call it counseling, that has led to so much abuse.

So if you, she's retweeting someone else, but if you click on the story, then you're going to see a long thread here.

And in that thread, what you'll notice is that

there's a story told about two counselors trained at Grace Community Church or the

Master's Seminary I should say and they were both I don't know if I want to

read this whole thing but it would this person apparently says she had a bad experience.

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