Cash, resources and conviction are not sufficient to thrive in the metaverse.

Of course, Microsoft was as convinced of as anyone in mobile and in the internet.

It didn't really help.

They had all the pieces they put them together incorrectly.

And in fact, the number of thesis errors that they made was actually quite something.

I'm Chris Hill and that was Matthew Ball.

From 2016 to 2018, he was the head of strategy at Amazon Studios.

Today he's a venture capitalist, writer and author of the forthcoming book The Metaverse

and How It Will revolutionize everything.

Recently he sat down with my colleague, Asad Sharma, to talk about the technical challenges

in bringing the metaverse to life, how gaming could change, and one less obvious company

with a lot of exposure to this new frontier.

But also began the conversation by trying to learn when we're going to get the metaverse

we keep hearing about.

Do you feel or do you believe that the rate of acceleration of interest in the metaverse,

the rate of acceleration of capital put into this theme, is going to produce this common

place bridge between digital and physical experiences in the near future?

Are we still looking at 10 to 20 years of evolution before we start to take the metaverse

as a second nature in how we live and work?

So I like to argue two different things.

One is that we need to depart from the idea that there's a before or after.

If the metaverse is a successor state to today's mobile and cloud internet era, we should

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