Meta's Chief AI Scientist Yann LeCun Makes the Case for Open Source

On with Kara Swisher

New York Magazine

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🗓️ 21 December 2024

⏱️ 55 minutes

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Kara sits down for a live interview with Yann LeCun, an “early AI prophet” and the brains behind the largest open-source large language model in the world. The two discuss the potential dangers that come with open-source models, the massive amounts of money pouring into AI research, and the pros and cons of AI regulation. They also dive into LeCun’s surprisingly spicy social media feeds — unlike a lot of tech employees who toe the HR line, Yann isn’t afraid to say what he thinks of Elon Musk or President-elect Donald Trump. This interview was recorded live at the Johns Hopkins University Bloomberg Center in Washington, DC as part of their Discovery Series. Questions? Comments? Email us at [email protected] or find us on Instagram and TikTok @onwithkaraswisher Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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0:00.0	Hi, everyone from New York Magazine in the Vox Media Podcast Network.
0:14.5	This is On with Kara Swisher and I'm Kara Swisher.
0:17.6	Today we've got a special episode for you, my conversation with Jan Lacoon, chief
0:21.9	AI scientists at Meta. This was recorded live as part of a series of interviews on the future
0:27.1	of AI I'm conducting in collaboration with the Johns Hopkins University, Bloomberg Center.
0:32.3	And Jan is really the perfect person for this. He's known as one of the godfathers of AI. Some even call him an early
0:39.1	AI profit. He's been pushing the idea that computers could develop skills using artificial
0:44.2	neural networks since the 1980s, and that's the basis for many of today's most powerful AI systems.
0:51.2	Jan joined what was then known as Facebook as director of AI research in 2013, and he currently oversees one of the best-funded AI systems. Jan joined what was then known as Facebook as director of AI research in 2013, and he
0:56.1	currently oversees one of the best-funded AI research organizations anywhere. He's also been a
1:01.6	longtime professor at New York University and received the 2018 Turing Award, which is often
1:07.7	called the Nobel Prize of Computing, together with Jeffrey Hinton and
1:11.4	Joshua Benjillo, for their breakthroughs on deep neural networks that have become critical
1:15.9	components of computing.
1:17.8	Jan is also a firebrand.
1:19.6	He's pretty outspoken politically.
1:21.6	He's not a fan of President-elect Donald Trump or Elon Musk and lets you know it on social
1:26.6	media, and is's also not without
1:28.7	controversy in his own field. When others, including Hinton and Benjiot, started warning about
1:33.6	the potential dangers of unmitigated AI research and calling for government regulation,
1:38.6	Jan called it BS. In fact, he said that regulating AI R&D would have apocalyptic consequences.
1:45.7	I want to talk to him about this dispute.
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