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the misfits the show what you don't know what you don't know when it's on again with Sean and

Jonathan welcome to Metamistics where you don't know what you don't know my name's Jonathan

I'm Sean and today we have a very special first-time guest.

Welcome to the show, Thomas Hatsis.

Hey, man.

Really looking forward to this.

And from a lot of your content, I see that you are right up our alley as far as understanding, uh, magic and you just got done talking about

your altar being over there. We're like, you're a real life wizard and we want to talk to you.

So, uh, how did you get into all that in the first place? I just pretty much my whole life. I think

there was a lot. I know that's like the shittiest answer ever.

Oh, wait, could I say that?

Yeah, of course.

Yeah.

Like, even I can't say, oh, my whole life.

Like, what a shallow.

And there I just did it.

No, you know, you just, you sort of have these feelings.

You're, you're sort of attracted to it like so growing up i liked the

the tell the the show duck tales if you ever heard of it yep and the episodes that had to do

with like witches or wizards or anything like that i just just sort of gravitated more towards that. And then

in my, I don't remember how old I was, maybe 11, 12, 13, somewhere around there. My older

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