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Hello, welcome to the Ornstein and Chapman podcast on The Athletic.

As usual, we bring you exclusive insight and stories from David and our team of writers.

I'm Mark Chapman and, of course, I'm joined by David Ornstein.

Coming up today, why Rao San Lehi left his role as head of football at Arsenal and what it means for Mikhail Arteta. David, you're also going to tell us a little bit more about your chat with Mezzat Erzl last week. Yeah, definitely. I mean, he's one of the most polarising figures in football, so I've got to tread very carefully. It's like walking on eggshells when you talk about Erzell, but he is a fascinating character,

and we'll get stuck into that a little bit later.

Also, after another Champions League disappointment,

our Manchester City players still as convinced by Pep Guardiola,

and across the city, the athletics.

Laurie Whitwell takes us inside Manchester United's plans

to go the extra step and become winners next season.

Right now, The Athletic is free for 30 days, bringing you the very best football writing around, including that Ursul Exclusive from David.

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