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🗓️ 16 August 2021
⏱️ 29 minutes
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0:00.0 | Welcome to Think Bibbically, Conversations on Faith and Culture, a podcast from Talbot School of Theology at Biola University. |
0:07.0 | I'm your host Scott Ray, Dean of Faculty and Professor of Christian Ethics. |
0:11.0 | And I'm your co-host Sean McDowell, professor of apologetics. |
0:15.2 | We have today as a guest, our good friend, Dr Caleb Kaltenbach. He's been with us on the |
0:21.1 | podcast several times in dealing with matters of the church and |
0:25.2 | sexuality and connecting meaningfully with the LGBTQ community. You might be familiar with him from his very popular, very widespread |
0:37.7 | selling book called Messy Grace, which is a bit of his own personal story about how he got involved in this area. |
0:45.5 | We want to focus on, we'll hear a little bit about that in just a minute, but we want to focus |
0:48.9 | on a new book that he has out called Messy Truth, subtitle |
0:53.4 | How to Foster Community Without Sacrificing Conviction. |
0:58.0 | So Caleb is a former pastor, he's a Talbot Grad, |
1:01.2 | now works in consulting and speaking and writing, consulting with churches |
1:05.9 | and other Christian organizations about how best to navigate this space with the you could be with us? Well, thanks for having me. I love both you guys and love |
1:24.6 | byola Talbot and what is happening there. So thank you for what you guys do. |
1:28.4 | So you've been with us on several occasions. You've told the story of your upbringing. You also told |
1:34.3 | it in your book, Messy Grace. But for our listeners who are new to us and new to you and your |
1:38.8 | work, tell us a little bit about what kind of family you grew up in and how it impacted you. |
1:45.0 | Sure, my parents were both the university professors in Missouri, Columbia, Missouri, and they divorced when I was two years old and both of them went into same-sex relationships and that's basically the environment that I was raised in, raised by my mother and her partner until my mother's partner died 22 years later of |
2:06.6 | cancer and then my dad he was also in same-sex relationships but never a monogamous partner like my mom and my mom and her |
2:16.8 | partner were activists and I just grew up hating Christians because I believe that |
2:21.1 | Christians hated gay people and then they joined a Bible study to learn how to disprove the Bible and that worked out real well because I became a Christian and then I ended up coming out to my parents as a Christian and going to Bible College and |
2:35.9 | seminary and later on at the ages of 6970 my mom and dad actually he |
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