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It Was What It Was : The Football History Podcast

Messi's Magic: Barcelona's Golden Era | Part Two

It Was What It Was : The Football History Podcast

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History, Rob Draper, Jonathan Wilson, Football, It What Was What It Was, The Overlap, Football History, Premier League, Four Four Two, When Saturday Comes, English Football, The Blizzard, Stick To Football, Sports, Soccer

4.9667 Ratings

🗓️ 21 October 2025

⏱️ 50 minutes

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Summary

Welcome to It Was What It Was, the football history podcast. In this second episode of a two-part special, co-hosts Jonathan Wilson and Rob Draper continue their exploration of Lionel Messi's early years, focusing on his journey from 2005 to the cusp of greatness in 2008. This episode delves into pivotal moments such as Messi's breakthrough in Barcelona's first team, his dramatic red card on his Argentina debut, and his developing relationship with key figures like Ronaldinho. We take a look at Messi's significant impact in the Joan Gamper Trophy, his hat-trick against Real Madrid in the El Clásico, and his stunning solo goal against Getafe. The episode also sheds light on the internal struggles and political tensions within Argentina's national team during the 2006 World Cup, and the influence of Barcelona's management in shaping Messi's career path. Join us as explore the trials and triumphs that shaped Messi into one of football's greatest ever.


00:00 Introduction: Messi's Early Brilliance

00:40 Messi's Breakthrough in 2005

01:23 Homesickness

04:00 Argentina Debut: A Rocky Start

09:25 Barcelona's Dilemma

11:31 Rising Star: The Joan Gamper Trophy

13:52 Contract Negotiations and Transfer Rumors

17:34 Messi's Impact in La Liga and Champions League

25:29 Messi's Diet and Lifestyle Concerns

26:11 Injury Setback and Return to Training

27:26 Champions League Final Disappointment

31:22 World Cup 2006: Argentina's Journey

36:07 Quarter-Final Clash with Germany

42:25 Barcelona's Decline and Messi's Rise

46:57 Ronaldinho's Influence and Messi's Future

49:10 Conclusion and Future Prospects


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0:00.0

I've never seen a player with so much quality at that age, with such personality, wearing such an important shirt.

0:13.7

Messi is a great champion, and he can do what he likes with the ball. I am pleased that the boy so young does something so beautiful for football because

0:22.4

these aren't things you see every day. It's an advertisement for the game. Welcome to It Was What It

0:27.7

The Football History Podcast. I'm Jonathan Wilson and with Rob Draper. And that was the famously

0:32.5

hard to please Fabio Capello, talking about Messi playing in the Jean-Gampa Trophy in August 2005.

0:40.3

So in the first part of this two-parter on Messi's adolescent years, I guess you'd say,

0:46.3

we took it up to the summer 2005 when he helps Argentina win the Under 20 World Cup,

0:52.0

even though he himself is only 17. He's won a La Liga

0:56.9

Championship medal the previous year. He's on the fringes of the first team. He scored his first

1:00.7

goal. He's starting to come off a bench regularly. So what's next? How does 2005-6 go for

1:07.7

Messi, Rob? It goes pretty well, Jonathan, actually. I think as an outlier for the rest of his career, you know, it's spoiler alert.

1:16.5

Messi does well in this story.

1:18.6

But there are ups and downs and there are bits of jeopardy.

1:21.9

And I think we still see some of the young Leo Messi.

1:25.0

We've talked about in the first half how homesick he was, how fragile he was, and also the

1:29.7

other side of him, how bloody determined he is, and kind of egotistical at times.

1:34.4

I think that that's the crux of Leo Messi, isn't it?

1:36.6

Those things are always working in tension in him.

1:40.6

And I think that's evident in, they go on a preseason tour to Tokyo.

1:43.7

This is the era of everyone suddenly deciding that they want to, they go on a preseason tour to Tokyo. This is the era of

1:44.8

everyone suddenly deciding that they want to go to Asia on a preseason tour because there's loads of

1:49.0

money in it. And we mentioned the formidable Catalan journalist Christina Koubera in the first half.

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