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Messalina: The most Notorious Woman of the Roman Empire

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🗓️ 3 July 2023

⏱️ 46 minutes

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Messalina was the third wife of the Emperor Claudius and one of the most notorious women of the Roman world. Historians Tacitus and Suetonius wrote that the Empress Messalina was ‘a ruthless and sexually insatiable schemer.’ The stories they told about her included nightly visits to a brothel and a twenty-four-hour sex competition with a prostitute. Tales like these have defined the empress’s legacy but is her story more complex? Classicist Honor Cargill-Martin joins us to reveal the truth about arguably one of the most slandered and underestimated female figures of ancient history who is the subject of her recent book, Messalina: A Story of Empire, Slander and Adultery. She describes a woman battling to assert her position in the overwhelmingly male world of imperial Roman politics – and succeeding. Intelligent, passionate and ruthless when she needed to be, Cargill-Martin argues that Messalina’s story encapsulates the cut-throat political maneuvering and excessive lifestyle of the Roman elite in their heyday. Joining Cargill-Martin in conversation is Dan Jones, one of Britain's best known historians. We’d love to hear your feedback and what you think we should talk about next, who we should have on and what our future debates should be.  Send us an email or voice note with your thoughts to podcasts@intelligencesquared.com or Tweet us @intelligence2.  And if you’d like to get ad-free access to all Intelligence Squared podcasts, including exclusive bonus content, early access to new episodes and much more, become a supporter of Intelligence Squared today for just £4.99, or the equivalent in your local currency .  Just visit intelligencesquared.com/membership to find out more.  Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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Welcome to IntelligentSquared. I'm Senior Producer Connor Boyle.

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Today on the podcast, honor Cargill Martin, the author, classicist and art historian,

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discusses her new book, Messalina, a story of empire, slander, and adultery.

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Joining honor to explore this topic is our host today, Dan Jones,

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one of Britain's best-known historians.

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The two spoke for us in a live online event on the 5th of June 2023.

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Here's Dan with more.

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Well, thank you very much Connor. Hello everybody and welcome to IntelligentSquared.

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