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The Brian Lehrer Show

Messaging Against Trump: What's Worked For Dems, And What Hasn't

The Brian Lehrer Show

WNYC

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4.61.5K Ratings

🗓️ 25 August 2025

⏱️ 53 minutes

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Summary

Tom Nichols talks about national politics, including Democratic messaging strategies, like CA Gov. Newsom's efforts to 'troll' Trump on social media.

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0:00.0

It's the Brian Laira show on WNYC. Good Monday morning, everyone.

0:15.8

Today, you don't need to look any further than Fox News in the Wall Street Journal editorial page

0:21.1

to find questions about whether the Trump administration is acting in defiance of the law.

0:27.5

One of this morning's top stories, if you haven't seen it yet, is the detention again for deportation again of Kilmar-Abrego-Garcia,

0:36.6

who the administration admitted was wrongly deported to

0:39.8

El Salvador earlier this year, and a series of court rulings, even from the usually Trump-friendly

0:45.9

Supreme Court, resulted in bringing him back. Remember the Garcia-A-A-R-Bregos story?

0:51.5

Then they charged him with a crime to detain him against, something that he

0:56.3

allegedly did years ago in Tennessee. He fleeted not guilty and was recently freed while

1:01.8

fighting that case. He was fighting it on the grounds of selective prosecution to make a point,

1:08.8

a political point. He refused a plea deal, which would have had him

1:14.2

served time in prison in the United States and then be deported to Costa Rica, where he could

1:20.8

have apparently gone free. He turned down that deal to try to prove his innocence, they say.

1:26.8

But this morning, at a required immigration

1:30.1

check, they detained him again with the intent this time to deport him to Uganda. He's from

1:36.3

El Salvador, remember? The take on the Fox News website included this shortly before Kilmar

1:42.9

Abra was detained detained, quote,

1:47.6

should ICE immediately arrest Abrago Garcia,

1:51.6

their actions would likely defy a court order handed down by U.S. District Judge Paula Zinnis

1:57.6

and Obama appointee, which sought to preclude ICE from immediately arresting

2:02.9

Abrago Garcia upon return. Lawyers for the Justice Department vehemently opposed Abrago

2:08.7

Garcia's release from custody, arguing at an evidentiary hearing earlier this year that he

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