MercyMe's Bart Millard on Why Suffering Isn't Your Core Problem and What God Is Actually Doing in Your Pain
Win Today: Your Roadmap to Wholeness
Christopher Cook
4.9 • 528 Ratings
🗓️ 1 April 2026
⏱️ 56 minutes
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Summary
You may be walking through disappointment. You may feel tempted to withdraw. You may not know how to trust God again. This conversation with Bart Millard from MercyMe will help you understand what it means to stay present, stay honest, and allow God to form something deeper in you through what you are facing.
You'll learn:
- Why suffering can deepen rather than destroy your faith
- How isolation quietly hinders the healing process
- Why vocalizing your struggles reduces their power
- The difference between giving up and true surrender
- How to trust God beyond specific outcomes
Guest Bio
Bart Millard is the lead singer of the multi-platinum, Grammy-nominated band MercyMe and a songwriter whose work has shaped modern worship music for decades. Known for the hit song "I Can Only Imagine," Bart has shared his story of pain, redemption, and faith through music, film, and writing. His journey—from a difficult childhood marked by abuse to becoming a voice of hope for millions—continues to inform his message about healing, resilience, and trusting God through adversity. Through his music, books, and storytelling, Bart invites people into an honest and grounded faith that holds both grief and gratitude.
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Episode Links
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Transcript
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| 0:00.0 | The Art of Leadership Network. |
| 0:03.0 | This week on Win Today. |
| 0:05.0 | I think the biggest thing that destroys us in those seasons is isolation. |
| 0:10.0 | I was checked out, man. |
| 0:11.0 | Like I would, you know, do as many shows. |
| 0:13.0 | Like I would never ask for more shows, but I'd never say no, |
| 0:17.0 | because that was my escape, leaving her with the family and a kid that died of me. |
| 0:23.2 | And man, if you stand around truth long enough, it tends to rub off and I started buying into it. |
| 0:28.9 | You know, a lot of us have no idea what to do with suffering. |
| 0:32.9 | We try to escape it, manage it, or even outrun it. But pain has a way of exposing what's actually |
| 0:39.7 | happening beneath the surface. Hey, you guys, welcome to the podcast. I'm really glad you've joined |
| 0:44.1 | me today because our guest this week is Bart Millard from the band Mercy Me. And this week, |
| 0:48.6 | we talk about how adversity can shape a deeper understanding of faith, why isolation works against healing and why |
| 0:56.9 | learning to voice your struggles in truth begins to break their power. We'll also explore the |
| 1:02.6 | difference between giving up and true surrender. If you read my book Healing What You Can't Erase, |
| 1:07.8 | you'll remember that I talked about this, but Bart's got a really |
| 1:10.9 | fresh take that we're going to explore today. We're also going to discuss what it means to trust the |
| 1:15.5 | Lord when outcomes don't align with our expectations, and that's really, really difficult. |
| 1:20.8 | So if you're walking through disappointment right now, we're trying to make sense of suffering, |
| 1:25.6 | this conversation is going to help you stay grounded |
| 1:27.6 | in what God is forming beneath the surface of your heart. |
| 1:31.1 | My conversation with Bart Millard is coming up in just a moment, |
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