Welcome to the win make give podcast Chad Himes coming to you from a cave. At least that's

what Dave Weldon has told me he said, Chad, just sound like you're in a cave. Dave, I'm

working on it as I'm putting together the new studio for recording space in Atlanta.

Audience, I appreciate you sticking with me. Yet here I am. And I'm joined as usual

by my friend Bob Stewart. Bob, how are you outside of the cave?

Well, you know, it's funny. Tomorrow I think is officially as we record this and this

will give you the idea of what Dave recorded. Tomorrow is the first day of fall. So it makes

sense that you're in your cave because I'm assuming you're preparing it for your big

winter, right? And you're going to be just crawling to that cave for the winter and get

a good rest and come back in the spring. That's how you do it, right?

Yeah, not that not this year. I think we are going to believe that winter is kind of like

summer, right? Because down here in Atlanta, they're going to be panicking because it hits

50 degrees and we're going to be saying, wait a minute, that was summer in the Northwest.

So we're pretty good. We'll be in shorts and t-shirt in the middle of January. Well,

everyone's panicking. So yet normally you are right, though, getting the cave ready for

for hibernation, Bob. Tell me, we've been telling the audience. You and I do a lot of

reading. We've been doing a lot of research. We're always attempting to stay ahead of

the of what's going on and learn because we know that's one of the keys of 15 point plan.

By the way, Shane was plugged there, right? Join Jelene and I for the 15 point plan podcast,

which is Ben's plan that helps you get out of a rut and into a groove. We've been talking

about learning is one of the 15 points. Bob, you were doing some learning this week and

you found an article that you shot over to me. You said, Chad, read this because I want

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