Welcome, welcome, welcome to episode number 85 of the eavesdrop podcast. We have a very

special guest today a good friend of mine for the last couple of years. We first

met when you made an investment into Infinite through Deep Space Ventures, Mr. Stephen Hayes, who is now an

investor in mental health startups.

That's right.

You seem shorter today.

It might be the chair. I think I'm sitting down down here kind of hanging out. It's comfy down here.

Is it to me? Because you're way taller than me so let me do this. So I don't feel weird anymore. There you go. You're usually like talking down.

I'm like, yeah, yeah, right now it looked weird.

Reverse in the role.

How you been?

Good man.

Good to be here.

This place is awesome.

Thank you.

I mean, this is my childhood's on your wall. Yeah, it's amazing. Yeah, yeah, it's cool. You mentioned the Super Mario Brothers three cover art and I think

I think that this is by far the best cover art of any video game in the history of video games or this is the only one that when I look at it I see well one and unattainable thing because at the time we were in Juarez and you know we just I couldn't get it and my cousin did and I played it non-stop but I remember like wanting to own it because I love the artwork I was

being an artist and a cartoonist or whatever like I loved the lettering the eye sex

that the that the blue and red give you it's called I Sex because it like tricks your eyes. Don't give me that look, Matt. But yeah, against the yellow background, like I, it, it did so much for me that I just like, I it it's like I got a super new one that's cool

yeah so anyway let's uh let's get into it man give me give me a little bit of background about you

and we'll go into the e-sports and then the mental health which is what I

want to discuss sure so I mean my my path to where I am today is a little bit

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