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hello and welcome to the defoe football podcast my name is joe divine but i was not here

for today's episode. So you are left

in the safe hands of Seb Stafferblor, who spoke to Jonathan Harding, who wrote the book.

Oh, hold on, let me get it. He wrote the book, Munch, which is a really, really good book.

We've talked about it on the podcast several times before. Alex really, really enjoyed it. I haven't read it yet, but I'm definitely going to you now after listening to today's episode. So it's really, really enjoyable. I just listened through as I edited at a fantastic time. I hope that you do too. But first, before we get started, let me tell you that we are supported by The Athletic,

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to get a 30-day free trial and 50% off an annual subscription. We had Rafael Honigstein on from

The Athletic a couple of weeks ago. So if you're a fan of German football and you enjoy this episode, you should go out and check out his work on there as well, because it is equally fantastic. So thank you very much for listening. And I hope you enjoy today's episode.

Welcome to the TFO Football Podcast. Joe is away off doing exciting things in America, so you're stuck with me.

And we're going to do something different.

People who have been listening for a long time,

remember about a year ago we did a series of podcasts with authors,

and anybody who watches this on YouTube will recognize this book,

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