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Watch out, world.

Are you feeling exhausted? Has your productivity taken a nose-tie? Is your sleep all over the place? Could it be that you're burning out? That's what I'm talking about today with El Huerta, the founder and CEO of the self-care app, MEND. The first time I spoke with Elle, she told us all about the science of heartbreak.

Now she's taking her research and problem solving and using it to help us all deal with burnout.

Oh, the last time that I saw you,

we were in New York City at a very fancy studio.

Now look at the two of us.

We're both in sweatshirts.

But you now join an elusive club of people who have been on Latina to Latina twice.

So thank you for being willing to do it.

I feel very honored.

I think there's a lot of talk about burnout now.

It sort of has become a very in vogue topic. So I am curious how you are defining burnout.

I define it based on really the definition that's been studied for the past 50 years by psychologists. And the definition

of burnout is that it is a state of chronic stress caused by unrelenting work stress. So it's very

specific to work. And we can talk about other types of burnout too. But really burnout in research looks at people

who are stressed from work. And it's characterized by a few different traits. One of them is exhaustion.

And then the second is feeling cynical or negative about your work. And then the third one is

lack of efficacy. So you're no longer as productive as you used to be.

And I feel like every time I go over that definition, it sounds like I'm describing every single person on the planet right now.

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