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It's unbelievable!

Welcome to a Men in Blazers pod special with a man who's often called the greatest player in chess history.

Sadly for me, that's my guest, not me. He's a bloke who is once known as the Beast.

As he won the chess world title, age just 22, youngest of all time, and proceeded to enthrall the world in 1996 and 1997 as he battled IBM's vaunted supercomputer deep blue.

Machine ultimately beat man. The first time a computer had ever defeated a world champion and the tournament conditions.

My guest retained the world number one ranking until his retirement in 2005 after which he became a man of many talents.

Writer, speaker, activist, vehement critic of Vladimir Putin and in a very connected turn of events, a political exile.

His latest book, Deep Thinking, where machine intelligence ends and human creativity begins marks the 20th anniversary of that deep blue prize fight.

He revisits the experience as a launch pad to explore machine advancements over the past 20 years and the future of the interplay between artificial intelligence, AI and humanity.

I'm thrilled to have him here in the panic room with me, this gent who's half Armenian, whom land of oneric, Macaterian and half Jewish.

There's an average chess player myself in my youth, board five for the entire chess crazy city of Liverpool at under 10 level.

Sadly Liverpool never played the city of Baku, yet stripped of Jewish sports heroes. My guest filled the entire vacuum for me so it's a delight to have him here for an interview in which he's constantly going to be four or five moves ahead of me.

We welcome to the pod out of Azerbaijan to New York City, Salam to Mr Gary Casparov. Good morning.

It is an honour to have you here at first encountered you as a kid back in Liverpool watching you battle arch rival, then title holder and a tolly carp of in your legendary 1984 championship match rumble.

The carp of was then regarded to be unbeatable, but after battling you for five months and 48 games, he was barely clinging on and you finished him off in the rematch the following year.

Oh, carp of cold, clinical terrifying to young rogge was backed by the Soviet regime, you all passion, emotion, charisma, you'd spoken out in favour of changing reform.

It felt to 13 year old me as if I was watching a battle between good and evil on which the future of civilization depended.

Did it feel more than just a chess match for you?

Chess was always more than the game in the Soviet Union.

They go for the communist regime. Chess was important to demonstrate the superiority of communist regime over decadent west.

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